Forum:Notable Aliases
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I've sort of had this thing niggling away at me for ages, so I've decided to tell everyone else. Do we really need "Notable Aliases" in the character infobox? Some of the aliases are hardly notable, a bit like when The Doctor called himself "The Rotmeister". Is that notable? Here's a dictionary definition of Notable: Worthy of being noted or remembered. I agree that all of the Doctor's aliases are worth being remembered, after all, as it has been pointed out to me before, this is an encyclopedia. But is the notable in "Notable Aliases" worth keeping? Some of them aren't even notable really. Take Veggie, as the Eleventh Doctor was called by the Dream Lord, is that Notable? On some characters, such as The Doctor, he has a full list of "Notable Aliases". Look over. and think to yourself, are they all "notable". I think we should get rid of notable and leave it as Aliases. All in favour? Ghastly9090 09:56, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
I agree. Many characters, especially those who have been in more recent episodes, have "notable aliases" that are completely useless, or are names that somebody jokingly called them once. He even told Craig not to call him the "Rotmeister" as soon as he said it. Unless it is an alias that somebody is called regularly, like "John Smith" for the Doctor, it isn't really notable. However, whether an alias is notable can be very subjective at times, so it would probably be better to just remove them.Icecreamdif 21:35, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but can an admin see to this! I feel like me and Icecreamdif are being ignored!Ghastly9090 17:31, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
- ...Wait. You say that all aliases are notable, because this is an encyclopedia, and then you say that a lot of the aliases aren't notable. What? --Bold Clone 17:48, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
- All 'Notable Aliases' for the Doctor are linked to the 'Aliases of the Doctor' page. This page details exactly what it says on the tin. However, 'Notable Aliases' was once just 'Aliases', but was changed because people were adding everything to the list, i.e like you said veggie. But since all the page for all the Doctor's link their 'Notable Aliases' to the Aliases of the Doctor page, and should not have anything listed bar that, it could just be changed back to Aliases. Mini-mitch\talk 17:49, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I recall when it was just "Aliases". The Tenth Doctor had "Dad", so It was quickly changed.----Skittles the hog--Talk 18:46, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
The infobox now says "Also Called" instead of "Notable Aliases" (or "Aliases"), and it's still being used for any descriptive phrase or one-off joking nickname for any character. In a few cases, there are Talk discussions or mini-edit wars over the lists.
Some examples of what's there now: Amy Pond is "Pondy" (as well as "Pond"), "Ghost of Christmas Present", and "Big Milk Thing"; River is "Melody Williams" and "Child of the TARDIS"; Rory is "The Pretty One"; Jack is "Captain Jack Bollocks" and "Il Diablo"; Donna is "Supertemp"; etc. Nobody's going to search the wiki for "Supertemp" to figure out which character was being refered to, and I can't imagine any other possible encyclopedia use for such a list.
However, in each case, it's hard to justify removing these entries, given that each one is consistent with the rest of the wiki, and there's no policy statement against them. So, I think what we need is just such a policy statement, so someone can remove "Captain Jack Bollocks" with a one-line explanation instead of an argument on the Talk page.
It's worth pointing out that this problem seems to be restricted almost entirely to new-series characters. We don't call Sarah Jane "Old Girl", Peri "The Girl", Henry Jago "The One With the Black Moustache", Compassion or "Stroppy Redhead". (In fact, we don't even call Fitz "James Bond", which he used that as an undercover alias at least three times.) It's tempting to say that classic-series and spinoff characters represent the intended rule, but given how much more effort goes into new-series characters, I don't think that can be justified. --173.228.85.35 10:01, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
I hate the entire article. After cleaning up the usual grammatical problems, I said to myself that a lot of these aren't aliases, they're insults or descriptors like "That a**hole" or "You remember the Doctor. He's old Mister Shultz' nephew's ex-brother-in-law" and suddenly we're seeing "a**hole" and "old Mr. Shultz' nephew's ex-brother-in-law". Or even, "You remember." I tried fixing it once and it was reverted. I'd rather see the article deleted than continue in its long, rambling and effectively useless form.Boblipton 10:53, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
I completely agree with 173 and Boblipton, and have been meaning to bring this up for a while. We should either remove the also called section, or come up with stricter rules for it. For example, on Jilly Kitzinger's page it makes perfect sense for her to have "Lucy Statten Meredith" listed, since she basically changed her name, but almost nothing listed for Amy Pond really seems significant enough to belong. People also seem fond of listing descriptive terms as also called. For example, until I removed it Oswald Danes had "Monster" listed as an also called. Gwen told him he was a monster, but nobody went around calling him "monster." Really, if someone is called something once then it shouldn't be listed. If it is an alias that they commonly use, or is at least significant somehow, then it should be listed, but random one-off joke names (like any time that Eleven says call me ___) shouldn't be listed.Icecreamdif 15:46, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
