Forum:Are there Time Lords in Parrallel Universes?
It seems to me that if there is another Torchwood on Pete's World, then there must also be a Doctor there, since Queen Victoria created TW in response to her encounter with the Doctor. One could explain it away by saying something else on that world caused Queen V. to establish Torchwood, but still it's a good question, and I haven't heard anyone else ask it. Before I read here that there was an omitted scene from Journey's End, where the original Doctor gave Rose and the Meta Crisis Doctor a little piece of Tardis Coral so they could 'grow their own', I wondered what were they (Rose and MC Doctor) even going to do stuck in this other world (besides Finally fooling around!). I thought maybe they could go looking for the doctor in that world- whatever regeneration he happened to be on.
Magic Jellyfish 20:11, April 9, 2010 (UTC)Magic Jellyfish
- When did anyone say something about there not being Time Lords in parallel universes? Does this have something to do with the Time War?
- There was a Koschei (the Master) who existed in Universe-DDD where he became stranded on the Earth after stopping the Great Intelligence. Ailla was murdered and Koschei was tortured to help them invade Universe-A (the mainstream Doctor Who universe). (PROSE: The Face of the Enemy) The Doctor in his third incarnation told his seventh that he was sure that the face of England's leader was that of one of his potential third incarnations. (PROSE: Timewyrm: Revelation) He's certain of it but he's also certain that the Timewyrm somehow engineered this just to dispirit him while he's a ghost in 7's head. It isn't as though incidental doubles don't exist up and down the timeline, though. I'm using production codes to name the two universes if you're wondering.
- In another (Universe-HS74.1, I'm going to say), "the Doctor", assuming he isn't Human like he thinks he is, may have had his memory altered more significantly when exiled to the Earth. The Doctor and Sarah (Jane) are wanted criminals. The Doctor of Universe-A stranded them in Universe-HS74.2 (COMIC: Who's Who?)
- In (Universe-DWM203?) the Doctor died but Silurians and Humans achieved his dream of peaceful coexistence. (COMIC: Final Genesis)
--Nyktimos 22:15, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
- See also the Ferutu. --Tangerineduel 06:01, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
One possibility about the founding of torchwood in pete's world is that it was the metacrisis tenth doctor and rose that caused the founding of torchwood in this universe,I wonder if there is a paralell Jack Harkness?.As for time lords somewhere on this wiki i remember hearing that in most universes a race develops time travel and declares itself the lords of time so even if its not the gallifreyans there may be beings in Pete's world known as time lords.--666hotline 10:05, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, if I remember correctly, there was something said in Age of Steel about there only being one Doctor, that they didn't exist in other worlds. Or maybe I just assumed this from the fact the Doctor said that in the old days time lords could go between universes easily. But I'm sure I've heard it somewhere. The Thirteenth Doctor 23:46, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I think the OP is referring to the fact that RTD said Pete's World didn't have a Doctor. This hasn't been definitively established by anything in the DWU, though, and it doesn't really make much sense, if you think about it for more than a few seconds. Still we do have something on the matter from BBC Books:
The parallel world from which the Cybermen came was possibly split from our own when an event took place on that world but not ours: the death of Queen Victoria, killed by a Werewolf. This event was averted on our own world by the intervention of an alien wanderer in time and space -- The Doctor.
- I'm really not sure of the status of that particular work in our canon heirarchy, but it's a starting point of a kind. While it may not definitively establish there is no Doctor in Pete's World, it does at least establish that Pete's World Torchwood wasn't created for the same reason, or at least via the same set of events, as in ours.
- It doesn't necessarily follow that because there's a Torchwod in Pete's World that Pete's World must have a Doctor. It's completely reasonable to accept the Creatures and Demons logic that Victoria was killed at the Torchwood estate by a threat later identified as alien by humans, and that those humans then set up an organization to combat alien threat, named in honor of the place their Queen fell. I mean the Lady of the house was still alive at the end of Tooth and Claw in our world. She could have been left alive at the end of the same events in Pete's World — a full witness to those events —and that she reported to others what she had seen. It's easy to stress the Doctor too much in the formation of Torchwood. It's principle aim wasn't to find and exclude the Doctor; it was to combat alien threats. Which you'd still need to do in Pete's World even if there was no Doctor. I mean, UNIT would've, and really did, form in our world without the Doctor. So why wouldn't Torchwood? CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 06:02, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
