Forum:Judeo-Christian God: how to title the article
As there is specific reference to the Jewish/Christian/Islamic God in Byzantium!, we need an article on this specific concept of God. Thing is, though, we can't do the dictionary trick of making god about the general concept and God about the specific deity. Anybody got any good guesses of how we'd title an article about God? Would it be God (Judeo-Christian)? Or do we move the current god to gods] and leave god for God?
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 18:18:30 Fri 15 Jul 2011
Without reading 'Byzantium' I would check the name of the religious group in the referred work and see if any of the traditional named like 'Yahweh' are used. If none spring to mind, try calling the article something like "God" Byzantium. There should be a connection to the general god article with a counter-reference. Good luck in not stepping on toes.Boblipton 23:11, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think God (Byzantium!) would work, because it's not like he's a character in the novel. It's a concept. And there's not Yahweh or other such alternate names used, because the concept is sometimes talked about by Jewish characters, sometimes by Roman, and sometimes by Christians. But they all say "God". It's a real conundrum. The concept does exist in the DWU; it's jut a matter of figuring out how to refer to it. Maybe a rewrite of the god article would be better, now that I think about it . . .
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 15:17:22 Sat 16 Jul 2011
- How about calling the article monotheism? Ausir(talk) <staff/> 15:25, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, monotheism probably does exist somewhere in the DWU, but that word is certainly not in Byzantium! (even if the concept obliquely is). And the thing is, the characters aren't referring to the idea of worshipping one god. (Well, okay, there's one sentence where a couple of Romans do, but generally, they aren't talking philosophy.) They're talking about a very specific God. Roman characters in the book, for instance, refer to "the Hebrew God". The book goes on to give very specific details about the nature of God. The article therefore wouldn't be about the concept of philosophy of monotheism, but rather a specific conception of God, in the same way that we have articles about Janus and Minerva.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 17:45:27 Sat 16 Jul 2011
- Well, monotheism probably does exist somewhere in the DWU, but that word is certainly not in Byzantium! (even if the concept obliquely is). And the thing is, the characters aren't referring to the idea of worshipping one god. (Well, okay, there's one sentence where a couple of Romans do, but generally, they aren't talking philosophy.) They're talking about a very specific God. Roman characters in the book, for instance, refer to "the Hebrew God". The book goes on to give very specific details about the nature of God. The article therefore wouldn't be about the concept of philosophy of monotheism, but rather a specific conception of God, in the same way that we have articles about Janus and Minerva.
- Because Jews and Christians don't call him "the Hebrew God". That's very much a Roman epithet.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 01:12:03 Sun 17 Jul 2011
- How about calling the article monotheism? Ausir(talk) <staff/> 15:25, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
You are correct, Czechout, and I appreciate the delicacy of matter. However, I think the way to deal with this in the article is to ignore the real-life implications and maddened hordes of Born-Agains ravening at your door. If the name of this particular God is never mentioned in the book, then the only name we have available is "Hebrew God" or "God(Hebrew)" with a text body that discusses these issues. Otherwise you are using out of universe references. Otr you could decide to ignore the entire matter. (memo to self: check for "Allah") Boblipton 01:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
- I think I didn't explain that thoroughly enough. I mean that, within the narrative of Byzantium!, some of the Romans fairly spit out the phrase "the Hebrew God", whereas the Jewish characters and Christian characters say, "Our Lord", "Our God"< "God the Father", etc. This isn't a question of not stepping on readers' toes here at Tardis. It's just a matter of figuring out how to name the article, since Byzantium! gives such a wide range of views about the Judea-Christian God. I'm not really lacking confidence in how to write the article. I just don't know how to title it, since there already is an article at god, but that article is talking about gods more than it is this God which is, in many ways, the background character of the entire novel of Byzantium!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 03:18:06 Sun 17 Jul 2011
Well, apparently one is going to have to be chosen with a large number of redirects.Boblipton 11:19, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
- It might sound stupid, but God (deity) might be used to separate the capital-G god from the mostly on Whynot but has nodes elsewhere individual of the same name and deities in general. --Nyktimos 23:16, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
Very good. And the name is....? Allah, Jehovah, Jesus or Rodney?Boblipton 23:20, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
- What about, taking Nyktimos' idea further having God (Human deity)? With a page for God (deity) (for any other singular Gods referred to as God, though not the human one) and leave God as a general article? --Tangerineduel / talk 16:52, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
