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There are some problems with numbering. Doctor Who Magazine confirmed that Planet of the Dead was the 200th story, however an unregistered user recently found a misnumbering in our pages which causes it to be the 201st. The only thing I can find that would change this back is that DWM counts "Turn Left" as part of "The Stolen Earth" and "Journey's End". This puts to end the debate as to whether "Turn Left" is or isn't part of it. It must be since it was confirmed that Planet of the Dead was the 200th. We'll need to make these changes won't we? The Thirteenth Doctor 21:33, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm...

DWM shouldn't be the only source on these things, as they often use different naming conventions to what's established as standard (For The Edge of Destruction; DWM Issue 5 - Beyond the Sun, DWM Issue 276 and DWM Issue 414 - Inside the Spaceship). So they're just as capable as any to 'group stories' to make a number fit than anyone.

I certainly don't think this "puts an end to it", I wasn't actually aware there was a debate, they're three individual stories, the only story of the past few series that was open to debate was, prior to its broadcast The End of Time. --Tangerineduel 12:37, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

No, not like the End of Time. I mean in the same way Utopia, The Sound of Drums and The Last of the Time Lords are stories 188a, 188b and 188c. And I do believe there was some debate as to whether it was part of it. I am sure it is number 200 because wasn't that why they got the Number 200 bus? --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:44, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well perhaps with the 200 bus, but then there's the Midnight bus, wasn't there something at issue about that?

Are' Those three number like that?! (I say with some puzzlement)...oh they are. Err...why have we done that?

I understand the stories of The Trial of a Time Lord being numbered in that manner, (actually I think I just answered my own question), Utopia, The Sound of Drums and The Last of the Time Lords all end on to be continued don't they?

But on the other hand Turn Left doesn't, end on a 'to be continued' I mean.

I understand on a narrative level that Turn Left leads into The Stolen Earth (but the same can be said for a majority of Hartnell stories), but there's nothing I can see linking it to the others (in the same way that Utopia is linked via the 'to be continued' which signals it as a continuing story). --Tangerineduel 13:21, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's the same events it is based around, with the stars going out and Rose returning, and trying to stop the Daleks by sending Donna back. --The Thirteenth Doctor 20:33, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but, speaking that generally you can say the whole of Series 5 is one long story because most of the stories are linked to one another by which ever arc.

The distinction I was making above is that those stories that end on a 'to be continued' are signalling they're part of an on-going story, much like The Trial of a Time Lord, whilst Turn Left doesn't make that distinction.

Or to put it another way, those stories that end on a "to be continued" have something definable that we can point out and classify and reference back to other examples. Turn Left on the other hand is how you interpret the narrative of the story, it sets up / mirrors upcoming events but it's more part of the arc than a linked story. --Tangerineduel 14:30, July 29, 2010 (UTC)