Howling:"Death" Theory *spoilers inside*
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In the synopsis for The Impossible Astronaut, and in DWM, it says that one of the main characters - The Doctor, River, Rory or Amy - will die. As in the synopsis for Day of the moon it says the doctor is trapped in the perfect prison, I think that this will be the "death" - The Doctor will appear to die, but is in fact only imprisoned. Does any one else have any others theories about this? The Mind 13:09, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it's The Pandorica again? Since The Doctor survived Big Bang Two, there's no reason why The Pandorica shouldn't? Maybe containing a copy of The Doctor as a form of 'reset button' for when he dies? (This only a theory.) Gallifrey102 09:27, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Moffat said that they are not lying or cheating with this death. That suggests that it won't be like the "deaths" that were common during the 10th Doctor's era, when characters would appear to die, or metaphorically die, and it won't be like Rory or Jack where they die, but come back to life. Since we know that all the characters are in later episodes, the most likely character will be River, and time will be rewritten to erase the events of Silence in the Library. Then, River could appear from an earlier point in her timeline. Of course, it is possible that Moffat was lying when he said he's not lying or cheating.Icecreamdif 23:45, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm...it's ture. He has played with our minds before. I must say, I try not to support your argument, but find that I can't help but agree with you. River is the only person likely to die and we know time is going to be re-written, as foretold in Silence in the Library.
I think we've reached a conclusion.
Gallifrey102 09:27, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
At first I didn't think River would die, but on reading your arguement I have to agree. We have been told numerous times over the last season that "Time can be rewritten", so then the most obvious candidate is River. Unless Moffat is duping us all, and something entirely unexpected happens. It wouldn't be the first time, after all. The Mind 12:08, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I honestly don't believe River can die. We already know she has died for one thing, and yes the line "time can be rewritten" has been used a lot lately... but let's remember what River said to the tenth Doctor; "Not those times, not one line, don't you dare!" I honestly don't think Moffat would do that. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:16, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
The problem here is that I'm really drawn between what's likely and what would be exciting. River has been associated with the 'time can be re-written' line, so after all this time, you'd think we'd know who she is. Then again, it would be much more exciting to see an entire season where The Doctor is killed at the beginning and everyone is searching for how and why. Of course, this is unlikely due to the fact that we see him in the trailer for all the other episodes, so I physically can't stop myself form agreeing with the River theory.
So, when it's River that's killed off, we'll know that Icecreamdif predicted it. Well done, in advance. Gallifrey102 12:49, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
It is possible that if River is killed -and I'm not saying she will be - the Doctor will have to somehow "re-write" time, in order to keep the events established in Silence in the Library true.
From the various trailers, spoilers, and rumors that I have read and seen online, my theory is that the doctor will cross his own timeline and Amy will be the one to kill the doctor from the future.24.9.197.4 15:53, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
River didn't tell the Doctor that he couldn't rewrite those times, she just said that she didn't him to. I hope that I am wrong, because I think that it would be taking something away from Silence in the Library, since it would be taking away the concept of the Doctor having always known how she will die, but River does seem like the most likely character to be killed off.Icecreamdif 20:23, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
In the Series 6 trailer, Amy shoots someone and the Doctor goes "NO!" I reckon that she gets posessed by weird moon thing aliens or whatever, so she kills Rory. We know River has to survive so she can die in the Library, and Rory is barely shown in the trailer. Anyone got any-counter arguments apart from "Time can be re-written?" BillyWilliam3rd 21: 33, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I simply refuse to believe that you refuse to believe Icecreamdif has created an indisputable argument. Gallifrey102 21:17, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
It would be stupid to kill Rory off in Cold Blood, bring him back to life in The Pandorica Opens and then kill him off again 3 episodes later in The Impossible Astronaut. If Rory was going to die again so soon, it wouldn't even have been worth it to bring him back to life the first time. Apart from that, Rory has been seen in the trailer for episodes other that the first two. The Doctor would be against her shooting almost anyone, unless there was no choice. It could have just as easily been River, or a new character who will appear in Series 6. Icecreamdif 21:26, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
It's suddenly occured to me that it may not be a litteral death. Remember 'The Stolen Earth', where one character was foretold to die.
Donna Noble died in terms of her being reset to her original 'factory setting' in a life without The Doctor, therefore dead in a sense; Rose Tyler returned to the parrallel word, therefore continuing the state of her being officially dead in the primary universe; we thought Martha Jones had died when she was seemingly scattered into atoms and Jack Harkness was exterminated, but returned to life later.
So perhaps, one of them will die, but only in a metaphorical sense...
Gallifrey102 21:32, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Moffat claims that he is not lying or cheating with this death. A metaphorical death, like Rose or Donna's deaths, would likely be considered cheating. His implication seems to be that one of those 4 characters will actually die.Icecreamdif 04:51, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
Simple solution to work out who dies: Comapre the synopis's of eps 1&2 and ep 3. Say Rory wasn't featured in the DOTM (ep 2) synopsis but is in the COBS (ep 3) synopsis then either he doesn't have a big role in DOTM, or he dies in TIA and is ressurected in DOTM. If he appears the COBS synopsis then he definately survies the events of the two parter.
The above formula works out for all three of the current Tardis Crew, however, it's not as easy for River Song. If she dies in TIA then she must be met in a different point in time in AGMGTW (ep 7) or she has been ressurected (once again).
The easiest way to work all of this out would be to use the evidence in the trailers, which confirm that The Doctor, Amy and Rory all appear in COBS but not River. HA!
Also guys, there's something I haven't told you. The upcoming Trading Card Magazine, Doctor Who Monster Invasion, has leaked, and in doing so confirmed the following:
- The Stetson-wearing Doctor is actually another future version of the Doctor
- Amy marks her skin with tally marks each time she sees a Silent monster
- River Song is a human from Earth
- Amy is kidnapped by the Silence while investigating Greystark hall
- The astronaut suit was built by the Silence
- A mysterious little girl is in the astronaut suit
- Canton helps the Doctor fight the Silence
You don't have to belive me, I have a spoiler reputation, but all of the above is true. Ghastly9090 10:52, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
The thing about Steven Moffat's writing is, that even though a lot of it involves timey-wimey paradoxes, the plot's or always quite simple when viewed from a non-linear, non-subjective point. Therefore, it will be easier for Moffat to kill off River Song, because then he knows where he stands in relation to everything else. Gallifrey102 15:16, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
