Howling:Gallifreyan timeline in relation to the rest of the universe
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Okay, we've seen in the New Series how lots of people from lots of different time zones know about the Time War and the destruction of Gallifrey (e.g. Mr Finch in "School Reunion", the vampires in "Vampires of Venice", etc). So can anyone think of a rationale as to why this never happens in the Classic Series? The Time War was fought throughout time and space, so it stands to reason that people would know about it back then, before the Doctor and the Time Lords themselves had experienced it in their personal timelines. In fact, everyone in Classic Who acts as though Gallifrey is still very much an active intergalactic superpower, not an ancient myth. Good examples of this include "The Brain of Morbius" (Solon is from Earth, placing the events of this story sometime in our distant future), "The Invasion of Time", "The Two Doctors", and "The Trial of a Time Lord."
- I'd say an inherent part of any trans-temporal war is the possibility of changing everything in some subtle way. Removing something from existence (with a time loop or somesuch) or altering causalities would change events in the universe such that, instead of something like Gallifrey no longer being there, it was never there in the first place. Of course, the universe hasn't forgotten about all the different events that happened before the Last Great Time War, which would seem to fly in the face of that whole line of reasoning. Best I can chalk it up to is that whole wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff. --Gousha 21:11, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
- I always figured that the Time Lords/Gallifreyans lived at the Dawn of Time and for about a billion years afterwards (about 15 to 14 billion years ago) and were one of the earliest civilizations on record. Their mastery over time had quickly proven that they were not around billions of years into the future, which isn't really that big of a deal, and they had measures in place that prevented them from investigating how they disappeared or died out. They might've assumed they all turned into energy beings or something. They generally had a non-interference policy that prevented them from interacting with other races, and the few that did (mostly rogue Time Lords, like our Doctor) were intrinsically time-locked as was the entire planet, from straying too far outside of their personal timeline relative too one another (the Daleks may have had their own rules in order to preserve the universe for future conquest/extermination). The Satyrnians were post-Crack in the Wall, which means post-Tardis explosion and post-Time War, which means they were time-locked from having to deal with the Gallifreyans and only knew of them as long ago legends that had occassionally time travelled forward. Not sure about Mr. Finch, though.--99.29.140.149 21:41, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I think it's interesting that the planet Karn seen in "The Brain of Morbius" is frequently stated in various media to be located quite near Gallifrey, which in some ways would make sense, given its importance to the Time Lords. As I've already said, "Brain of Morbius" takes place in the distant future (relative to Earth); so anyone going there would likely have been able to get a good look at Gallifrey too. The Time Lords certainly didn't seem to mind people going near their homeworld, as seen in "The Invasion of Time." 82.2.136.93 10:45, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
