Howling:How much does 10th Doctor remember from 50th Anniversary?
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This thing has been bugging me about the episode. They say that the War Doc can't remember anything(obviously that would disrupt Nine's dark broody persona) but in "The End of Time" it was Ten that explained that Galifrey wasn't destroyed and only locked in the time bubble. Did he actually remember doing that or was it like when Clara suddenly started to remember what happened in the other timeline which Eleven fixed("Journey to the Center of the TARDIS")? Jedted ☎ 06:44, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
- 10 was referring to the Time Lock that had been placed around the entirety of the events of the Time War at some point by someone, probably to prevent any external forces from interfering with its events, nobody in and nobody out. He mentions that the Time Lock should have stopped him and 11 from arriving on Gallifrey when the War Doctor was about to activate the Moment. Likely, while in his own personal past, the "destruction" of Gallifrey may be at a more "timeless" moment with respect to the Universe, not having a conventional calendar date associated with it for reasons of Time Lords + Time Lock + timey-wimey stuff + "this explanation only has to make sense if you don't think about it". He was telling Wilf that the Time Lords' demise could only be considered past tense if the Time Lock remained in place to ensure that sequence of events was followed. —BioniclesaurKing4t2 - "Hello, I'm the Doctor. Basically, . . . run." 03:45, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
Jedted: Ten's explanation was given while the events were still in progress, before the time-protecting amnesia would have taken effect. During the events, he was in the position of (re)gaining information that showed his memories in a different light -- "Ah! so that's why such-and-such happened!". Once he exited those events, he'd lose the memory of that information & of the insights it had given him.
BioniclesaurKing4t2: Ten was referring to the Time Lock as being "like a bubble but not a bubble" (in The End of Time). He still thought that one of the events within the "bubble" of the Time Lock was the total destruction of Gallifrey by his use of the Moment. In The Time of the Doctor, he was again (as you say) referring to the Time Lock & was puzzled that it not only hadn't "stopped him and 11 from arriving on Gallifrey" but also hadn't presented them with any apparent resistance at all. That effortless passage through the Time Lock leads me to wonder whether what we saw was the interface of the Moment using the appearance of Rose or was actually a manifestation of the real Bad Wolf entity (Rose with the power of the Vortex) -- or possibly a combination of the two. The Bad Wolf entity would certainly have had the power to get things through the Time Lock without "bursting the bubble" & releasing the hell of the Time War -- which is what Rassilon's attempt (in The End of Time) to get Gallifrey out of the Time Lock would have done. There'd be no problem with Rose's memory; we've known since The Parting of the Ways that she couldn't remember anything she'd done as the Bad Wolf. --89.243.204.145talk to me 00:29, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
