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* Two major scenes were cut from the episode before broadcast: | * Two major scenes were cut from the episode before broadcast: | ||
:* An extra piece of dialogue on Bad Wolf Bay where the Doctor hands his clone a coral-like piece of the TARDIS, telling him to grow his own. When the clone Doctor protests that it takes thousands of years to grow a TARDIS, DoctorDonna provides him with a faster solution, so that Rose and the cloned Doctor can travel through space "as it should be". This was mentioned in The Doctor's Data section of the ''Doctor Who Adventures'' magazine, and in the 398th edition of Doctor Who Magazine, Russell T Davies states that it is perfectly fine to assume that this part of the scene did actually occur. The scene is included on the Series 4 DVD Box Set. (Also if you look closely the clone Doctor is still holding the coral piece in the actual episode.) | :* An extra piece of dialogue on Bad Wolf Bay where the Doctor hands his clone a coral-like piece of the TARDIS, telling him to grow his own. When the clone Doctor protests that it takes thousands of years to grow a TARDIS, DoctorDonna provides him with a faster solution, so that Rose and the cloned Doctor can travel through space "as it should be". This was mentioned in The Doctor's Data section of the ''Doctor Who Adventures'' magazine, and in the 398th edition of Doctor Who Magazine, Russell T Davies states that it is perfectly fine to assume that this part of the scene did actually occur. The scene is included on the Series 4 DVD Box Set. (Also if you look closely the clone Doctor is still holding the coral piece in the actual episode.) | ||
:** An interesting note about this scene is that in it | :** An interesting note about this scene is that in it the Doctor says "The Doctor. In the TARDIS. With Rose Tyler. As it should be." This very closely resembles a line said at the end of Age of Steel by Mickey Smith: "That's the Doctor. In the Tardis. With Rose Tyler". Whether this is intentional or coincidental is unknown. | ||
[[File:Cybemen in the TARDIS.jpg|thumb|right|Cybermen in the TARDIS.]] | [[File:Cybemen in the TARDIS.jpg|thumb|right|Cybermen in the TARDIS.]] | ||
:* An alternate ending. After saying goodbye to Wilf, the Doctor returns to the TARDIS, which dematerialises; in the kitchen, Donna hears the sound and there is a brief look of recognition on her face which she dismisses; in the TARDIS, a scanner begins receiving a strange signal, prompting the Doctor to launch into his traditional "What? What!? What." response, after which two [[Cyberman (Pete's World)|Pete's World Cybermen]] suddenly rise up behind him - a [[cliffhanger]]. Both scenes were included in the Series 4 DVD set released in November 2008; in his commentary, Davies explains that the cliffhanger ending was dropped in response to comments by a ''[[Doctor Who Magazine]]'' writer who stated a cliffhanger was inappropriate after such a sad series of scenes. In [[REF]]: ''[[Doctor Who: The Writer's Tale|Doctor Who: The Writer's Tale - The Final Chapter]]'', [[Benjamin Cook]] is acknowledged as being the one who convinced Davies to drop the Cybermen cliffhanger. Unlike most deleted scenes from Series 4, it is not possible to retroactively work the "TARDIS piece" and Cyberman cliffhanger sequences into continuity: the Bad Wolf Bay sequence plays out as one long exchange and no room exists to reinstate the discussion about the TARDIS, and the cliffhanger does not coincide with the opening of ''[[The Next Doctor]]'', which shows the Doctor not in peril (this due, per ''The Writer's Tale'', to the opening being changed due to the changing of ''Journey's End's'' ending). It is possible, however, for the scene of Donna recognising the TARDIS sound to be fit into continuity. The Cybermen cliffhanger was not dropped entirely as the BBC Wales logo appears at the end of the credits, the sound of cybermen stomping can be heard. | :* An alternate ending. After saying goodbye to Wilf, the Doctor returns to the TARDIS, which dematerialises; in the kitchen, Donna hears the sound and there is a brief look of recognition on her face which she dismisses; in the TARDIS, a scanner begins receiving a strange signal, prompting the Doctor to launch into his traditional "What? What!? What." response, after which two [[Cyberman (Pete's World)|Pete's World Cybermen]] suddenly rise up behind him - a [[cliffhanger]]. Both scenes were included in the Series 4 DVD set released in November 2008; in his commentary, Davies explains that the cliffhanger ending was dropped in response to comments by a ''[[Doctor Who Magazine]]'' writer who stated a cliffhanger was inappropriate after such a sad series of scenes. In [[REF]]: ''[[Doctor Who: The Writer's Tale|Doctor Who: The Writer's Tale - The Final Chapter]]'', [[Benjamin Cook]] is acknowledged as being the one who convinced Davies to drop the Cybermen cliffhanger. Unlike most deleted scenes from Series 4, it is not possible to retroactively work the "TARDIS piece" and Cyberman cliffhanger sequences into continuity: the Bad Wolf Bay sequence plays out as one long exchange and no room exists to reinstate the discussion about the TARDIS, and the cliffhanger does not coincide with the opening of ''[[The Next Doctor]]'', which shows the Doctor not in peril (this due, per ''The Writer's Tale'', to the opening being changed due to the changing of ''Journey's End's'' ending). It is possible, however, for the scene of Donna recognising the TARDIS sound to be fit into continuity. The Cybermen cliffhanger was not dropped entirely as the BBC Wales logo appears at the end of the credits, the sound of cybermen stomping can be heard. | ||
* ''Journey's End'' and ''[[The Stolen Earth]]'' together feature references to every episode of the fourth series. In addition, references dating back to the first series of the revived show (involving Rose), and Sarah Jane's tenure as the companion of the [[Third Doctor|Third]] and [[Fourth Doctor]], also appear. | * ''Journey's End'' and ''[[The Stolen Earth]]'' together feature references to every episode of the fourth series. In addition, references dating back to the first series of the revived show (involving Rose), and Sarah Jane's tenure as the companion of the [[Third Doctor|Third]] and [[Fourth Doctor]], also appear. | ||
* Almost every companion of the Ninth and Tenth Doctors appears or is referenced in some way in this episode (including [[Astrid Peth]]), with the sole exception of [[Adam Mitchell]] | * Almost every companion of the Ninth and Tenth Doctors appears or is referenced in some way in this episode (including [[Astrid Peth]]), with the sole exception of [[Adam Mitchell]] | ||
* Blue Peter presenter [[Gethin Jones]] operates a [[Dalek]] in this episode, returning to Doctor Who | * Blue Peter presenter [[Gethin Jones]] operates a [[Dalek]] in this episode, returning to ''Doctor Who'' after his brief appearance as a [[Cybus Cyberman]] in ''[[The Age of Steel]]''. | ||
* This was the longest series finale at 65 minutes long, and was longer even than all of the Christmas specials except for [[Voyage of the Damned]], which was 71 minutes. This raised some issues with international broadcasts; for example, the broadcast on the [[CBC]] in Canada on 12 December 2008 was edited to 44 minutes to fit a regular 60-minute timeslot, with commercials (see below for examples). While the American [[Sci Fi Channel]] broadcast aired the episode in its entirety on August 1, it has not since been rerun, instead ending its rotation with [[The Stolen Earth]]. [[Space (TV channel)|Space]] , however, has aired it completely uncut on reruns. | * This was the longest series finale at 65 minutes long, and was longer even than all of the Christmas specials except for ''[[Voyage of the Damned]]'', which was 71 minutes. This raised some issues with international broadcasts; for example, the broadcast on the [[CBC]] in Canada on 12 December 2008 was edited to 44 minutes to fit a regular 60-minute timeslot, with commercials (see below for examples). While the American [[Sci Fi Channel]] broadcast aired the episode in its entirety on August 1, it has not since been rerun, instead ending its rotation with ''[[The Stolen Earth]]''. [[Space (TV channel)|Space]] , however, has aired it completely uncut on reruns. | ||
* Dalek Caan refers to the Doctor as a 'threefold man'. The meaning becomes clear in this episode with both the copy of the Doctor and 'Doctor-Donna'. | * Dalek Caan refers to the Doctor as a 'threefold man'. The meaning becomes clear in this episode with both the copy of the Doctor and 'Doctor-Donna'. | ||
* As with the previous episode, the opening credits are augmented to include six names, with several overflow acting credits displayed after the opening sequence. | * As with the previous episode, the opening credits are augmented to include six names, with several overflow acting credits displayed after the opening sequence. | ||
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* The scene where the Daleks are speaking German is possibly a tongue-in-cheek reference to the fact that Terry Nation based the Daleks on the Nazis. It is also possibly a reference to the fact Daleks have no fear so they let the locals know exactly what they're doing | * The scene where the Daleks are speaking German is possibly a tongue-in-cheek reference to the fact that Terry Nation based the Daleks on the Nazis. It is also possibly a reference to the fact Daleks have no fear so they let the locals know exactly what they're doing | ||
* The word "Exterminieren", which the German Daleks use, is not in common use. In the German dubs of the episodes, the word used in "Vernichten" (literally, "Reduce to nothing"; colloquially, "Destroy"). The full dialogue for the German Daleks is as follows: "Exterminieren! Exterminieren! Halt! Sonst werden wir Sie exterminieren! Sie sind jetzt ein Gefangener der Daleks! Exterminieren! Exterminieren!" This translates as: "Exterminate! Exterminate! Stop! Or we will exterminate you. You are now a prisoner of the Daleks. Exterminate! Exterminate!" | * The word "Exterminieren", which the German Daleks use, is not in common use. In the German dubs of the episodes, the word used in "Vernichten" (literally, "Reduce to nothing"; colloquially, "Destroy"). The full dialogue for the German Daleks is as follows: "Exterminieren! Exterminieren! Halt! Sonst werden wir Sie exterminieren! Sie sind jetzt ein Gefangener der Daleks! Exterminieren! Exterminieren!" This translates as: "Exterminate! Exterminate! Stop! Or we will exterminate you. You are now a prisoner of the Daleks. Exterminate! Exterminate!" | ||
* This marks the departure of [[Catherine Tate]] ([[Donna Noble]]) and [[Billie Piper]] ([[Rose Tyler]]). In an interview with ''[[Doctor Who Magazine]]'', Piper was quoted as saying she doesn't see this as a permanent depature. Catherine Tate had no plans to return at that moment, but she had not ruled out a return in the future. [[Elizabeth Sladen]], in an interview published after the episode was broadcast, said she doesn't expect to appear on ''Doctor Who'' again, although her own spinoff, ''[[The Sarah Jane Adventures]]'' would subsequently continue a few months later. However, all three appeared the following year in ''[[The End of Time (TV story)|The End of Time]]''. | * This story marks the departure of [[Catherine Tate]] ([[Donna Noble]]) and [[Billie Piper]] ([[Rose Tyler]]). In an interview with ''[[Doctor Who Magazine]]'', Piper was quoted as saying she doesn't see this as a permanent depature. Catherine Tate had no plans to return at that moment, but she had not ruled out a return in the future. [[Elizabeth Sladen]], in an interview published after the episode was broadcast, said she doesn't expect to appear on ''Doctor Who'' again, although her own spinoff, ''[[The Sarah Jane Adventures]]'' would subsequently continue a few months later. However, all three appeared the following year in ''[[The End of Time (TV story)|The End of Time]]''. | ||
* This is the third season finale of four to have a character in the TARDIS speaking about possible places to visit before the unexpected departure of a character. In ''[[The Parting of the Ways]]'' the [[Ninth Doctor]] speaks of places like the planet [[Barcelona]] before regenerating; in ''[[Last of the Time Lords]]'', the Doctor suggests visiting [[Agatha Christie]] (among others) before Martha announces her departure; in this episode, Donna speaks of visiting [[Felspoon]] and meeting [[Charlie Chaplin]] before her mind overloads. The episodes that break this pattern so far are ''[[Doomsday]]'' and ''[[The Big Bang]]''. | * This is the third season finale of four to have a character in the TARDIS speaking about possible places to visit before the unexpected departure of a character. In ''[[The Parting of the Ways]]'' the [[Ninth Doctor]] speaks of places like the planet [[Barcelona]] before regenerating; in ''[[Last of the Time Lords]]'', the Doctor suggests visiting [[Agatha Christie]] (among others) before Martha announces her departure; in this episode, Donna speaks of visiting [[Felspoon]] and meeting [[Charlie Chaplin]] before her mind overloads. The episodes that break this pattern so far are ''[[Doomsday]]'' and ''[[The Big Bang]]''. | ||
* This episode is also the only finale to not include the sudden ''arrival'' of a character. The [[Tenth Doctor]] appears in ''[[The Parting of the Ways]]'', [[Donna Noble]] appears in the TARDIS at the end of ''[[Doomsday]]'', the Titanic crashes through the TARDIS' hull in ''[[Last of the Time Lords]]'', the [[Eleventh Doctor]] appears in ''[[The End of Time (TV story)|The End of Time]]'', and is remembered back into reality by [[Amy Pond]] in ''[[The Big Bang]]''. | * This episode is also the only finale to not include the sudden ''arrival'' of a character. The [[Tenth Doctor]] appears in ''[[The Parting of the Ways]]'', [[Donna Noble]] appears in the TARDIS at the end of ''[[Doomsday]]'', the Titanic crashes through the TARDIS' hull in ''[[Last of the Time Lords]]'', the [[Eleventh Doctor]] appears in ''[[The End of Time (TV story)|The End of Time]]'', and is remembered back into reality by [[Amy Pond]] in ''[[The Big Bang]]''. | ||
