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I'd therefore like to propose a "beta test" for the feature here at Tardis. I think we should switch it on now, just as we approach the return of ''Doctor Who'' for the second half of the series. Then we see if it attracts and retains new users. | I'd therefore like to propose a "beta test" for the feature here at Tardis. I think we should switch it on now, just as we approach the return of ''Doctor Who'' for the second half of the series. Then we see if it attracts and retains new users. | ||
If no one has any objections, '''I'd like to turn it on in 72 hours''' — that is, roughly Thursday (Friday, if you're over the dateline from North America) so that I have time to "skin" the badges so they look appropriate to our wiki. The ''default'' badges are dead ugly. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | If no one has any objections, '''I'd like to turn it on in 72 hours''' — that is, roughly Thursday (Friday, if you're over the dateline from North America) so that I have time to "skin" the badges so they look appropriate to our wiki. The ''default'' badges are dead ugly. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''16:54:40 Mon '''22 Aug 2011 </span> | ||
==Discussion== | ==Discussion== | ||
If it helps people keep this wiki in shape, then go ahead. It ''might'' give self importance to some users, maybe, but it could be used to keep the editors motivated. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:06, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | If it helps people keep this wiki in shape, then go ahead. It ''might'' give self importance to some users, maybe, but it could be used to keep the editors motivated. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 17:06, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | ||
If you think being in the top ten is worth suffering such a gimmicky feature, go for it. Personally, I don't think being in the top ten wikis is of any importance whatsoever. It's not a competition after all, despite what these "achievements" say.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 17:12, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | If you think being in the top ten is worth suffering such a gimmicky feature, go for it. Personally, I don't think being in the top ten wikis is of any importance whatsoever. It's not a competition after all, despite what these "achievements" say.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 17:12, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:I hear ya. I don't think that being in the top 10 is important for its own sake. The reason that it has some relevance is that it gives us free advertisement. It means that we're on the front page of the entertainment section. So, somebody coming to wikia for the very first time might see us there. I personally don't care whether we're first or 240th, but I do care about our profile being high enough that we're easy to find. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | :I hear ya. I don't think that being in the top 10 is important for its own sake. The reason that it has some relevance is that it gives us free advertisement. It means that we're on the front page of the entertainment section. So, somebody coming to wikia for the very first time might see us there. I personally don't care whether we're first or 240th, but I do care about our profile being high enough that we're easy to find. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''19:30:42 Mon '''22 Aug 2011 </span> | ||
Sounds like its worth a try, I can't see any reason for it not to be a useful feature. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 17:13, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | Sounds like its worth a try, I can't see any reason for it not to be a useful feature. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 17:13, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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I think it's worth a try, but with a trial period. My jaundiced view is that we may wind up with people competing on sheer volume. As someone who views himself as sweeping up around here, I am concerned about the sheer volume of poor changes that might result. I am likely anticipating trouble, so give it a try..... but be ready to turn it off. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 17:31, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | I think it's worth a try, but with a trial period. My jaundiced view is that we may wind up with people competing on sheer volume. As someone who views himself as sweeping up around here, I am concerned about the sheer volume of poor changes that might result. I am likely anticipating trouble, so give it a try..... but be ready to turn it off. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 17:31, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Oh i very much share the concern that this might lead to a stream of "garbage" revisions. However, we do have the ability to determine the nature of the badges awarded. I won't be able to say exactly how flexible the customisation is until we turn it on, but I think we will be able to target things better than just "total number of edits". From what I've seen of the menus in screenshots, thoguh, it ''looks'' quite flexible. And if we find people trying to game our award tracks, we can just block that person and they're outta the game entirely. When a person is blocked, they lose their badges. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | :Oh i very much share the concern that this might lead to a stream of "garbage" revisions. However, we do have the ability to determine the nature of the badges awarded. I won't be able to say exactly how flexible the customisation is until we turn it on, but I think we will be able to target things better than just "total number of edits". From what I've seen of the menus in screenshots, thoguh, it ''looks'' quite flexible. And if we find people trying to game our award tracks, we can just block that person and they're outta the game entirely. When a person is blocked, they lose their badges. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''19:30:42 Mon '''22 Aug 2011 </span> | ||
The only things that are customisable are the icons and achievement titles. For example, we would be stuck with "Add 500 images to pages", but you would be able to change the name from "Curator" and the image of a painting to something a bit more DWU. At least on the surface these are the limits, I have no idea if you can do some magic via CSS.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 19:49, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | The only things that are customisable are the icons and achievement titles. For example, we would be stuck with "Add 500 images to pages", but you would be able to change the name from "Curator" and the image of a painting to something a bit more DWU. At least on the surface these are the limits, I have no idea if you can do some magic via CSS.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 19:49, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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I think alot of what I was thinking has already been said. I think the trial period is a good idea, but truthfully, think an achievements system seems alittle out of place on a wiki. It could be potentially beneficial if used right though, if you have the right achievements that is. I think someone mentioned it before. Don't just give an achievement for editing a page. Instead you might have an achievement for adding pics to pictureless wiki pages or an achievement for fixing a stub. Whatever the achievement, it should focus on aspects of the wikia that are neglected. [[User:MochaShakaKhan|MochaShakaKhan]] 18:48, August 23, 2011 (UTC) | I think alot of what I was thinking has already been said. I think the trial period is a good idea, but truthfully, think an achievements system seems alittle out of place on a wiki. It could be potentially beneficial if used right though, if you have the right achievements that is. I think someone mentioned it before. Don't just give an achievement for editing a page. Instead you might have an achievement for adding pics to pictureless wiki pages or an achievement for fixing a stub. Whatever the achievement, it should focus on aspects of the wikia that are neglected. [[User:MochaShakaKhan|MochaShakaKhan]] 18:48, August 23, 2011 (UTC) | ||
==Conclusions== | ==Conclusions== | ||
It would appear there's general consensus to proceed with a trial period. I have begun the process of handcrafting dozens of graphics to customise the appearance of the awards so that they have relevance for our wiki. However, thanks to what some people are calling the "implosion of Wikia" today, I'm severely behind schedule. I had wanted to roll out the test beginning tomorrow, but I may now have to defer to the weekend. I now have to clean up rather more basic things about the wiki like — I dunno — being able to see the edit button and the options underneath. It would be appreciated if other admin could refrain from enabling Achievements so that it could be rolled out as a completed, fully ''Doctor Who''-themed feature. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | It would appear there's general consensus to proceed with a trial period. I have begun the process of handcrafting dozens of graphics to customise the appearance of the awards so that they have relevance for our wiki. However, thanks to what some people are calling the "implosion of Wikia" today, I'm severely behind schedule. I had wanted to roll out the test beginning tomorrow, but I may now have to defer to the weekend. I now have to clean up rather more basic things about the wiki like — I dunno — being able to see the edit button and the options underneath. It would be appreciated if other admin could refrain from enabling Achievements so that it could be rolled out as a completed, fully ''Doctor Who''-themed feature. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''04:00:31 Thu '''25 Aug 2011 </span> | ||
==Closing== | ==Closing== | ||
This feature has been enabled, and seem to be working well. Having not heard even a lick of complaint about it during the six week trial period, and indeed noting the fact that it has clearly brought more good edits than bad, I declare this feature launch a sucess. Achievements, rebranded here as the [[Game of Rassilon]] will continue for the indefinite future. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | This feature has been enabled, and seem to be working well. Having not heard even a lick of complaint about it during the six week trial period, and indeed noting the fact that it has clearly brought more good edits than bad, I declare this feature launch a sucess. Achievements, rebranded here as the [[Game of Rassilon]] will continue for the indefinite future. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}15:24: Sat 01 Oct 2011 </span> | ||
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