Talk:Eleventh Doctor/Archive 3: Difference between revisions

::Until such time as an alternative is found, however, please leave pic 1 in place. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">14:54: Fri&nbsp;20 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>

:::Just to clarify, administratively we have in the past sometimes removed an image until the bone of contention is settled.  However this was in cases where a whole raft of users had competing ideas on which pic to use, and also when the resulting picture was a "collage" that had to be constructed.  In this case, it seems to be mostly Memnarc's view that the current pic is somehow "Gollumesque" that's driving things.  One person cannot hold a page "hostage" and end up depriving it of its infobox pic, especially on the page of the current star of the show! So we'll hold at [[:file:ElevenHeroCloseup.jpg]] until Memnarc can provide something of equal quality here on the talk page. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:05: Fri&nbsp;20 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>

:::::Pic1 is a closer closeup.  I'm sure you can actually see that.  Look how much of the frame in Pic2 is ''not'' Matt Smith. Pic3 is disqualified ''precisely because'' it already serves as the infobox image at [[the Doctor]].  There's no need for duplication.  And it's not as closeup nor as bright as Pic1.  Remember, the goal of an infobox pic is to be as big as possible, as bright as possible, and as clear as possible. Pic3 just isn't an ''improvement'' on Pic1 in any of these regards.  Keep looking.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:31: Fri&nbsp;20 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>

:Well, there ya go.  Stuff to consider.  You don't necessarily have to like any of these, but these all represent the kind of tight focus we need to be going for.  The face has to be very tightly cropped, completely dominant in the frame, with no excessive framing elements.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">22:37: Fri&nbsp;20 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>

:@Mini-mitch: I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I don't think the bow tie is actually necessary.  After all, the infobox pic of Pertwee doesn't give us the smoking jacket and frills, the one of Four doesn't give us a scarf, and the one of Davison doesn't give us celery (though it does give us [[cricket whites]], which are ''clearly'' more important!).  Of course, I ultimately think that whatever we choose will probably have the top of the bowtie — just because it's so close to the chin — but I don't think it's strictly necessary for an infobox pic of a Doctor to have the trademark costume element.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">00:20: Sun&nbsp;22 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>

::A general note:  remember to judge these pics ''solely'' on the '''way they appear on this page'''.  '''Do not''' click on them and compare the "blown up" versions.  All that matters to the exercise of picking an infobox image is the way they look ''in an article''. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">00:27: Sun&nbsp;22 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>

Place your votes above and give your reasons below.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:14: Sun&nbsp;22 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>

::* 1 {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:20: Sun&nbsp;22 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span> As I've consistently maintained, the image doesn't need to be changed.  To me, it's not a "Gollum face".  It's the perfect expression of that in-between-happy-and-sad-state that Matt does so well. It's a fun smile, but if you look more closely, it's a bit wistful.  And I think the TARDIS backdrop is cool, at least for the present time. It subtly suggests he's the current occupant of the TARDIS, because none of the other Doctor pictures have the TARDIS in them.

I'm declaring that 2/3rds of the participants to the discusion have voted against pic 1, which means that '''there is consensus for change'''.  The only two pictures left standing are thus 4 and 11.  Although only one person has actually voted for 11, its viability as a candidate is confirmed by the discussion upthread with people who either favored 11 outright or at least positively defended it. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:04: Mon&nbsp;23 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>   

::*11 {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">15:08: Mon&nbsp;23 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>  I'm going 11 in this round.  It's clearly the brighter of the two. You get a nice, rumpled bow tie, the full jacket, the interesting upward eye angle, the eye color, etc.  It works better on unmagnified wikiamobile, too.

Therefore I judge 4 to be the "winner", and will be changing it over.  Because we've bothered to have a formal discussion about the infobox pic, all users are warned '''not''' to change the infobox pic until the beginning of the next series.  At that time, the consensus of this discussion will expire due to the presence of new material. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">05:01: Thu&nbsp;26 Apr 2012&nbsp;</span>