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At the beginning of the page someone has put that Rodger Delgado's Master is in his 13th incarnation. I don't believe that that's correct at all because to my knowledge, after he was mangled by the Dalek artifact he used up the rest of his regenerations trying to restore himself, and ended up as the rotting, zombified one, which was his last life and the reason is focus was on trying to restore himself, since being in such bad shape was killing him. | At the beginning of the page someone has put that Rodger Delgado's Master is in his 13th incarnation. I don't believe that that's correct at all because to my knowledge, after he was mangled by the Dalek artifact he used up the rest of his regenerations trying to restore himself, and ended up as the rotting, zombified one, which was his last life and the reason is focus was on trying to restore himself, since being in such bad shape was killing him. | ||
[[User:Near-sighted Jedi|Near-sighted Jedi]] <sup>[[User talk:Near-sighted Jedi|talk to me]]</sup> 21:19, December 13, 2011 (UTC) | [[User:Near-sighted Jedi|Near-sighted Jedi]] <sup>[[User talk:Near-sighted Jedi|talk to me]]</sup> 21:19, December 13, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Well, I think you're mischaracterising ''[[Legacy of the Daleks]]'' a wee bit. The word regeneration appears exactly once in the book, and that appearance does not support your view that he "used up the rest of his regenerations trying to restore himself". Instead, the book says he was already in his last regeneration when he was mutilated by Susan into the grotesque figure of ''Deadly Assasin''. In ''Keeper of Traken'', he does specifically say that he was nearing the end of his 12th regeneration. The Doctor confirms this means the last incarnation. So this means that the guy in ''Keeper of Traken'' is the Delgado Master, deformed. It also means that the Delgado Master is the "Thirteenth Master". ''Traken'' gives us solid canonical grounds to rename this article, '''Thirteenth Master'''. Therefore, we also have cause to change [[The Master (Tremas)]] into '''Fourteenth Master'''. But I still think it's better to put it all on one page, [[the Master]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | :Well, I think you're mischaracterising ''[[Legacy of the Daleks]]'' a wee bit. The word regeneration appears exactly once in the book, and that appearance does not support your view that he "used up the rest of his regenerations trying to restore himself". Instead, the book says he was already in his last regeneration when he was mutilated by Susan into the grotesque figure of ''Deadly Assasin''. In ''Keeper of Traken'', he does specifically say that he was nearing the end of his 12th regeneration. The Doctor confirms this means the last incarnation. So this means that the guy in ''Keeper of Traken'' is the Delgado Master, deformed. It also means that the Delgado Master is the "Thirteenth Master". ''Traken'' gives us solid canonical grounds to rename this article, '''Thirteenth Master'''. Therefore, we also have cause to change [[The Master (Tremas)]] into '''Fourteenth Master'''. But I still think it's better to put it all on one page, [[the Master]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}06:20: Sat 21 Apr 2012 </span> | ||
Well, i find it quite odd aswell. If anything the Roger Delgado incarnation is on his twelth incarnation, not his thirteenth, it even says so in Legacy of the Daleks- | Well, i find it quite odd aswell. If anything the Roger Delgado incarnation is on his twelth incarnation, not his thirteenth, it even says so in Legacy of the Daleks- | ||
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I mentioned above that in Legacy of The Daleks the Doctor clearly knows that the Delgado Master had one regeneration left before it was used up on Tersurus, i even included the quote. It spells out that Delgado is on his 12th life and not his 13th, given the novels are a reference point. I haven't misquoted, i promise ;-) [[Special:Contributions/86.25.29.82|86.25.29.82]]<sup>[[User talk:86.25.29.82#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:21, July 15, 2012 (UTC) | I mentioned above that in Legacy of The Daleks the Doctor clearly knows that the Delgado Master had one regeneration left before it was used up on Tersurus, i even included the quote. It spells out that Delgado is on his 12th life and not his 13th, given the novels are a reference point. I haven't misquoted, i promise ;-) [[Special:Contributions/86.25.29.82|86.25.29.82]]<sup>[[User talk:86.25.29.82#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:21, July 15, 2012 (UTC) | ||
:But you have ''totally'' mischaracterized. There's no doubt that Susan causes and witnesses the "transformation" of Delgado into Beevers/Pratt. There's no ''regeneration'' that happens there at all. ''Legacy'' is the very ''basis'' for calling the two versions the same. You need to reread the passages as a whole — not concentrate on one ''very'' out of context sentence. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | :But you have ''totally'' mischaracterized. There's no doubt that Susan causes and witnesses the "transformation" of Delgado into Beevers/Pratt. There's no ''regeneration'' that happens there at all. ''Legacy'' is the very ''basis'' for calling the two versions the same. You need to reread the passages as a whole — not concentrate on one ''very'' out of context sentence. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}21:43: Sun 15 Jul 2012 </span> | ||
I certainly have read it all, quite a few times, and in all honestly there's nothing in the Susan V Master passages which contradicts the idea that he has One Regeneration left, as the Doctor comments in the quote above. In fact all we have is... | I certainly have read it all, quite a few times, and in all honestly there's nothing in the Susan V Master passages which contradicts the idea that he has One Regeneration left, as the Doctor comments in the quote above. In fact all we have is... | ||
