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*[[w:c:metroid:user talk:MarioGalaxy2433g5|the talk page of MarioGalaxy2433g5]], an admin at [[w:c:metroid]], with whom Dr. Anonymous1 has had dealings on a number of issues. | *[[w:c:metroid:user talk:MarioGalaxy2433g5|the talk page of MarioGalaxy2433g5]], an admin at [[w:c:metroid]], with whom Dr. Anonymous1 has had dealings on a number of issues. | ||
So the question is whether we should grant his request for, as he put it, "redemption". Has he done enough bad that we're throwing away the key? Should we let him back on a very tight probation, so that if he commits another offense, he's gone for good? Should we "commute" him to "time-served" and just fully welcome him back into the community? I think there's an argument for ''all'' of these responses, so I invite your comments below. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | So the question is whether we should grant his request for, as he put it, "redemption". Has he done enough bad that we're throwing away the key? Should we let him back on a very tight probation, so that if he commits another offense, he's gone for good? Should we "commute" him to "time-served" and just fully welcome him back into the community? I think there's an argument for ''all'' of these responses, so I invite your comments below. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}19:38: Tue 14 Aug 2012 </span> | ||
:I don't like the idea of refusing to give some one a "second" chance if is requested after enough time for them to have been able to alter their behaviour, but I definately don't side with the opinion that a clean slate should be given. If we are to allow this user back onto the wiki then it should be with a very tight probation and his edits should be patrolled thouroughly. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 22:44, August 14, 2012 (UTC) | :I don't like the idea of refusing to give some one a "second" chance if is requested after enough time for them to have been able to alter their behaviour, but I definately don't side with the opinion that a clean slate should be given. If we are to allow this user back onto the wiki then it should be with a very tight probation and his edits should be patrolled thouroughly. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 22:44, August 14, 2012 (UTC) | ||
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* 13:08, 2011 December 8 CzechOut (Talk | contribs | block) blocked Patrick Watt (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 January 2012 (account creation disabled) (Repeated violations of same policy. That policy is -->: tardis:signature policy, tardis:discussion policy, threatened blatant violation of tardis:vandalism policy and tardis:deletion policy at talk:Dalek. See [[user talk:Patrick Watt) (unblock | change block) | * 13:08, 2011 December 8 CzechOut (Talk | contribs | block) blocked Patrick Watt (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 January 2012 (account creation disabled) (Repeated violations of same policy. That policy is -->: tardis:signature policy, tardis:discussion policy, threatened blatant violation of tardis:vandalism policy and tardis:deletion policy at talk:Dalek. See [[user talk:Patrick Watt) (unblock | change block) | ||
{{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}22:56: Tue 14 Aug 2012 </span> | ||
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::::Again, just as a matter of semantic clarity, "clean record" means here that he would not be currently blocked on Wikia, making him eligible for "goodies" within the Wikia network, such as the ability to adopt other wikis. It might be in the record — it's in the record that Skittles, Mini-mitch and I were blocked at Doctor Who Answers — but we're now considered "clean" by the Wikia Staff. I wasn't speaking, in other words, about an ''expunged'' record. | ::::Again, just as a matter of semantic clarity, "clean record" means here that he would not be currently blocked on Wikia, making him eligible for "goodies" within the Wikia network, such as the ability to adopt other wikis. It might be in the record — it's in the record that Skittles, Mini-mitch and I were blocked at Doctor Who Answers — but we're now considered "clean" by the Wikia Staff. I wasn't speaking, in other words, about an ''expunged'' record. | ||
::::That bit of minutiae out of the way, I wonder if you could clarify your point, TD. You're saying "a string of errors" would end up in him being truly permabanned, and my original suggestion was that ''any'' '''single''' violation would result in the same. If we do bring 'im back, it's gotta be clear what the terms are. My suggestion is easier to administrate, but it may be too harsh. Your way would seem to require too much of a judgement call — what, precisely, is a "string"? So maybe we can tighten up the language to be "any violation of anything about which he's been warned at least once, or whose policy page he's been pointed to?" At the core of his misbehaviour is that he was told not to do something, yet he did it anyway. That's what needs to stop, not necessarily ignorance of a relatively minor part of the MOS. Maybe we should just let him back, but immediately point his attention to the policies of greatest import: no personal attacks, image policy, video policy, chat policy, spoiler policy, and a few others. Then he'll have been adequately warned about "the biggies" and we'll be very clear what's going on. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | ::::That bit of minutiae out of the way, I wonder if you could clarify your point, TD. You're saying "a string of errors" would end up in him being truly permabanned, and my original suggestion was that ''any'' '''single''' violation would result in the same. If we do bring 'im back, it's gotta be clear what the terms are. My suggestion is easier to administrate, but it may be too harsh. Your way would seem to require too much of a judgement call — what, precisely, is a "string"? So maybe we can tighten up the language to be "any violation of anything about which he's been warned at least once, or whose policy page he's been pointed to?" At the core of his misbehaviour is that he was told not to do something, yet he did it anyway. That's what needs to stop, not necessarily ignorance of a relatively minor part of the MOS. Maybe we should just let him back, but immediately point his attention to the policies of greatest import: no personal attacks, image policy, video policy, chat policy, spoiler policy, and a few others. Then he'll have been adequately warned about "the biggies" and we'll be very clear what's going on. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:02: Wed 15 Aug 2012 </span> | ||
:::::Yes, let him back and inform him that if he violates the big policies; spoiler, image, video and the communication and interaction ones user/talk/discussion/no personal attacks. Then he'll be blocked. | :::::Yes, let him back and inform him that if he violates the big policies; spoiler, image, video and the communication and interaction ones user/talk/discussion/no personal attacks. Then he'll be blocked. | ||
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As we head into the final two days of this discussion, it seems to me that a clear consensus for alloing his return, under tight monitoring, is emerging. I've no objection to that. However, I'm placing the additional stipulation that he request the disabling of [[user:Patrick Watt]], since the dual accounts earned him the block in the first place. He has submitted such a request already. Once it becomes apparent that Wikia have globally blocked him, I'll unblock him and write the "terms of re-entry" on his talk page. If they do not suspend the Patrick Watt account by Tuesday — which is possible because Wikia staff are pretty swamped at the moment with the MW 1.19 upgrade — he'll have to wait for unblocking until they do. | As we head into the final two days of this discussion, it seems to me that a clear consensus for alloing his return, under tight monitoring, is emerging. I've no objection to that. However, I'm placing the additional stipulation that he request the disabling of [[user:Patrick Watt]], since the dual accounts earned him the block in the first place. He has submitted such a request already. Once it becomes apparent that Wikia have globally blocked him, I'll unblock him and write the "terms of re-entry" on his talk page. If they do not suspend the Patrick Watt account by Tuesday — which is possible because Wikia staff are pretty swamped at the moment with the MW 1.19 upgrade — he'll have to wait for unblocking until they do. | ||
If anyone has any lingering doubts about this plan, they have until Tuesday to make their opposition known. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | If anyone has any lingering doubts about this plan, they have until Tuesday to make their opposition known. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}03:38: Sun 19 Aug 2012 </span> | ||
:Wikia have disabled this account so, barring any late objections, this user will have his editing powers restored sometime soon after 19:38 Tuesday (UTC). {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | :Wikia have disabled this account so, barring any late objections, this user will have his editing powers restored sometime soon after 19:38 Tuesday (UTC). {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}17:26: Sun 19 Aug 2012 </span> | ||
== Closing == | == Closing == | ||
Hearing no objection by the appointed hour, I note that, by a vote of 5-0, and the abstention of others who were invited but decided not to participate, [[user:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] is ordered returned to the community of editors under the strict guidelines which shall be set forth at [[user talk:Dr. Anonymous1]]. [[User:Patrick Watt|Patrick Watt]] shall remain locally blocked, even though the account is globally blocked, because there are extraordinary cases in which Wikia have re-enabled accounts that have been closed. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | Hearing no objection by the appointed hour, I note that, by a vote of 5-0, and the abstention of others who were invited but decided not to participate, [[user:Dr. Anonymous1|Dr. Anonymous1]] is ordered returned to the community of editors under the strict guidelines which shall be set forth at [[user talk:Dr. Anonymous1]]. [[User:Patrick Watt|Patrick Watt]] shall remain locally blocked, even though the account is globally blocked, because there are extraordinary cases in which Wikia have re-enabled accounts that have been closed. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}19:38: Tue 21 Aug 2012 </span> | ||
