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:Should we include/count the linking narration done for the missing soundtracks? | :Should we include/count the linking narration done for the missing soundtracks? | ||
:I don't think it does count as it's deliberately framed as narration, I'd add a however this though, ''if'' a story comes along and (somehow) manages to frame it into a story then ''maybe'' it could be counted. But as it stands there doesn't seem to be enough information for this to be a valid image. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 16:29, August 21, 2011 (UTC) | :I don't think it does count as it's deliberately framed as narration, I'd add a however this though, ''if'' a story comes along and (somehow) manages to frame it into a story then ''maybe'' it could be counted. But as it stands there doesn't seem to be enough information for this to be a valid image. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 16:29, August 21, 2011 (UTC) | ||
::Just sticking to ''The Crusade'' for a minute, the thing is, that's a very different reconstruction to either Baker on ''Shada'' or Ford on ''Reign of Terror'' or Anneke Wills giving linking narration for ''Power of the Daleks'' on CD. Unlike these other cases, it's done as a scene with the character of Ian, not with the actor. It is Ian looking back on his life and remembering the story of how he got knighted by King Richard. It's released by the BBC, the tape's producers took the time to create a properly dressed and realistic set, and there's proper multiple-shot editing. It's in every sense a licensed narrative, and it does connect to the broader canon by confirming things that happened in other media. For instance, he references [[ | ::Just sticking to ''The Crusade'' for a minute, the thing is, that's a very different reconstruction to either Baker on ''Shada'' or Ford on ''Reign of Terror'' or Anneke Wills giving linking narration for ''Power of the Daleks'' on CD. Unlike these other cases, it's done as a scene with the character of Ian, not with the actor. It is Ian looking back on his life and remembering the story of how he got knighted by King Richard. It's released by the BBC, the tape's producers took the time to create a properly dressed and realistic set, and there's proper multiple-shot editing. It's in every sense a licensed narrative, and it does connect to the broader canon by confirming things that happened in other media. For instance, he references [[PROSE]]: ''[[The Witch Hunters]]'', which was, at the time ''The Crusade'' VHS was released in [[1999]], the very latest story involving Ian. It just seems like there was a genuine effort to make the piece fit into continuity. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''04:11:34 Mon '''22 Aug 2011 </span> | ||
:::Okay. | :::Okay. | ||
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If BBC Wales says it's valid, then it's canon. That's a lot clearer than vague references to CURSE OF THE FATAL DEATH as a dream. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 22:44, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | If BBC Wales says it's valid, then it's canon. That's a lot clearer than vague references to CURSE OF THE FATAL DEATH as a dream. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 22:44, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Well, BBC Wales makes virtually no pronouncements on what they think of as a "valid" story. And the issue here is that there's an official BBC-made in-character "snippet" which directly challenges the BBC Wales-made episode of [[ | :Well, BBC Wales makes virtually no pronouncements on what they think of as a "valid" story. And the issue here is that there's an official BBC-made in-character "snippet" which directly challenges the BBC Wales-made episode of [[TV]] on the issue of the [[21st century]] nature of [[Ian Chesterton]]. Sarah Jane tells us that Ian is unaged from his 1963/5 appearance, whereas this in-character linking narration shows us a man with white hair claiming to be Sir Ian Chesterton. And don't even get me started on the minefield that is the Fourth Doctor narration of ''The Power of the Daleks''. Thing is though we do need to at least ''consider'' how to deal with these oddities. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}'''02:47:05 Tue '''23 Aug 2011 </span> | ||
I was under the impression that Ian's lack of aging is a rumor and may refer to his zest for life. According to his entry in this wiki: | I was under the impression that Ian's lack of aging is a rumor and may refer to his zest for life. According to his entry in this wiki: | ||
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:::Well, this isn't just about the SJA thing. But if we rule ''The Crusade'' VHS linking narration as valid, then here's what I think happens. I think it means that we can definitively say that Sarah Jane was simply wrong. Her rumour is definitively disproved, which is slightly more than saing "according to a rumour Sarah Jane heard . . ." The linking narration allows us to be a bit more declarative in our language: | :::Well, this isn't just about the SJA thing. But if we rule ''The Crusade'' VHS linking narration as valid, then here's what I think happens. I think it means that we can definitively say that Sarah Jane was simply wrong. Her rumour is definitively disproved, which is slightly more than saing "according to a rumour Sarah Jane heard . . ." The linking narration allows us to be a bit more declarative in our language: | ||
::::"Sarah Jane once told Rani and Clyde that she'd heard a rumour that Ian and Barbara hadn't aged since the 1960s. ([[ | ::::"Sarah Jane once told Rani and Clyde that she'd heard a rumour that Ian and Barbara hadn't aged since the 1960s. ([[TV]]: ''[[Death of the Doctor]]'') However, Sarah Jane's information was unreliable, as [[Ian Chesterton]] certainly appeared elederly when he once made a video long after leaving [[the TARDIS]] in which he related the story of how he had been [[knight]]ed by [[Richard the Lionheart]]. ([[BBC Video]]: ''[[The Crusade]]'') | ||
:::As has been pointed out by [[user:Ausir|Ausir]], the issue of SJS' rumour isn't that hard to dispense with. It's the other things that are in this narrative which would bring something ''new'' to the character of Ian. For instance, the fact that the older Ian bought a suit of armour so as to remind him of being knighted, means that it wasn't a swiftly-forgotten incident, like Rose's was. The fact that he refers to the space in the video as his house allows us to say that Ian was extremely comfortable later in life. It's a ''truly'' posh house he's got. The surroundings allow us to say with certainty that he didn't go crazy or end up in squalor. This isn't a case like Dodo whose post-TARDIS life is tragic, by at least one account. He is the very picture of a successful elderly gent, which obviously adds something to his biography. As a matter of fact, aside from Sarah, Jo and the Brig, this is the only companion for whom we have ''video'' evidence of anything close to retirement age. Finally, the character knows he's being filmed in this segment. The character clearly understands there's an audience down the other end of the camera, and even talks directly to them — well, ''us''. Yet he's incredibly naturalistic going through the variety of camera set-ups and the like. Most people aren't so at ease when they know they're being filmed. This implies that he's made videos in the past. | :::As has been pointed out by [[user:Ausir|Ausir]], the issue of SJS' rumour isn't that hard to dispense with. It's the other things that are in this narrative which would bring something ''new'' to the character of Ian. For instance, the fact that the older Ian bought a suit of armour so as to remind him of being knighted, means that it wasn't a swiftly-forgotten incident, like Rose's was. The fact that he refers to the space in the video as his house allows us to say that Ian was extremely comfortable later in life. It's a ''truly'' posh house he's got. The surroundings allow us to say with certainty that he didn't go crazy or end up in squalor. This isn't a case like Dodo whose post-TARDIS life is tragic, by at least one account. He is the very picture of a successful elderly gent, which obviously adds something to his biography. As a matter of fact, aside from Sarah, Jo and the Brig, this is the only companion for whom we have ''video'' evidence of anything close to retirement age. Finally, the character knows he's being filmed in this segment. The character clearly understands there's an audience down the other end of the camera, and even talks directly to them — well, ''us''. Yet he's incredibly naturalistic going through the variety of camera set-ups and the like. Most people aren't so at ease when they know they're being filmed. This implies that he's made videos in the past. | ||
