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::She may have become more lenient, seeing as she has had numerous contacts with UNIT (During the Horath situation, Dalek invasion etc.) | ::She may have become more lenient, seeing as she has had numerous contacts with UNIT (During the Horath situation, Dalek invasion etc.) | ||
::Seeing as it's evident that UNIT are aware she runs a anti-alien-invading force, that she's bound to have technology in there. But they aren't Torchwood, so they might let her have it. | ::Seeing as it's evident that UNIT are aware she runs a anti-alien-invading force, that she's bound to have technology in there. But they aren't Torchwood, so they might let her have it. | ||
:::Perhaps even the Doctor told them to leave | :::Perhaps even the Doctor told them to leave her alone. | ||
::::She could have been so distraught by the news of the Doctor's death that she didn't think about them seeing Mr. Smith. | ::::She could have been so distraught by the news of the Doctor's death that she didn't think about them seeing Mr. Smith. | ||
:::::I agree, this seems to contradict previous episodes in which Sarah tried to cover up the existance of Mr Smith from UNIT. I think the most logical explanation is that she was in shock, so forgot. | :::::I agree, this seems to contradict previous episodes in which Sarah tried to cover up the existance of Mr Smith from UNIT. I think the most logical explanation is that she was in shock, so forgot. | ||
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*When the Doctor is talking to Jo, he refers to her, and her grandchildren's, future. Surely this is against his principals to tell someone their future? (hence him not looking at River's diary at the end of the Forest of the Dead) Also, he refers to Jo's happy life... maybe this is (albeit weak) proof that Jo didn't die as a result of a house fire in 2028? | *When the Doctor is talking to Jo, he refers to her, and her grandchildren's, future. Surely this is against his principals to tell someone their future? (hence him not looking at River's diary at the end of the Forest of the Dead) Also, he refers to Jo's happy life... maybe this is (albeit weak) proof that Jo didn't die as a result of a house fire in 2028? | ||
::He doesn't tell her anything that changes the course of time, so no harm is done. He has great affection for Jo, and this is simply a nice gesture. The Doctor is not known for his strict adherence to the rules.. As for the house fire, that's never been established or even mentioned on the TV series. | ::He doesn't tell her anything that changes the course of time, so no harm is done. He has great affection for Jo, and this is simply a nice gesture. The Doctor is not known for his strict adherence to the rules.. As for the house fire, that's never been established or even mentioned on the TV series. | ||
::: And any way, 2028 would make Jo likely in her 80s, so his comment about a happy life still applies since he could be referring to her life in total. | |||
*Considering that this episode takes place in a UNIT base, there are very little UNIT personnel seen, their presence going from minor to non-existent once the true nature of the Shansheeth is revealed. Where did they go? Surely someone should have stayed behind to guard the base, considering they have alien and human visitors in the base during curfew? | *Considering that this episode takes place in a UNIT base, there are very little UNIT personnel seen, their presence going from minor to non-existent once the true nature of the Shansheeth is revealed. Where did they go? Surely someone should have stayed behind to guard the base, considering they have alien and human visitors in the base during curfew? | ||
:: It could be that they are simply just not shown (and are in other parts of the base). The female UNIT officer has presumably been left in charge of the funeral arrangements and the Shansheeth. Also, with the lock-down she implemented, perhaps other UNIT officers simply couldn't get into the area to help. | :: It could be that they are simply just not shown (and are in other parts of the base). The female UNIT officer has presumably been left in charge of the funeral arrangements and the Shansheeth. Also, with the lock-down she implemented, perhaps other UNIT officers simply couldn't get into the area to help. | ||
::It's clearly stated that this section of the base has been put into lockdown. Colonel Karim did this to isolate them from getting any help. | ::It's clearly stated that this section of the base has been put into lockdown. Colonel Karim did this to isolate them from getting any help. | ||
::: Karim also has sufficient seniority to order "non-essential" personnel away or reassign them. | |||
*The fact that Clyde and Rani are grounded on Earth and cannot leave the planet due to legal restrictions with the Judoon plays a major part in the episode following this one, so why is it that Clyde can go to that other planet without the Judoon taking any notice. Surely if they were grounding people on a planet, they would have measures which inform them of those people leaving it. | *The fact that Clyde and Rani are grounded on Earth and cannot leave the planet due to legal restrictions with the Judoon plays a major part in the episode following this one, so why is it that Clyde can go to that other planet without the Judoon taking any notice. Surely if they were grounding people on a planet, they would have measures which inform them of those people leaving it. | ||
::Clyde and Rani can not leave the planet due to legal reasons, there is nothing physically holding them there. The robots decided to uphold the law, and did not see Clyde and Rani's presence as a threat to their mission. The Doctor doesn't care about following the law, and he needed Clyde to leave Earth if he wanted to get Earth. | ::Clyde and Rani can not leave the planet due to legal reasons, there is nothing physically holding them there. The robots decided to uphold the law, and did not see Clyde and Rani's presence as a threat to their mission. The Doctor doesn't care about following the law, and he needed Clyde to leave Earth if he wanted to get Earth. | ||
::: Also, in truth Clyde is only on the planet for a few minutes; far too short a time for the Judoon to do anything about it, and the Doctor being involved, he would probably handwave any concerns away. | |||
*Tia Karim said she was from the ''Unified'' Intelligence Taskforce but it should be the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce. | *Tia Karim said she was from the ''Unified'' Intelligence Taskforce but it should be the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce. | ||
::UNIT have called themselves the Unified Intelligence Taskforce, ever since the 2005 revival. No canon reason has been given for UNIT's change in name. | ::UNIT have called themselves the Unified Intelligence Taskforce, ever since the 2005 revival. No canon reason has been given for UNIT's change in name. | ||
:::The Doctor called it United Nations in ''Aliens of London'', but since then, it's been either only referred to by initials or consistently called Unified when spoken in full, after the real UN complained or something. | :::The Doctor called it United Nations in ''Aliens of London'', but since then, it's been either only referred to by initials or consistently called Unified when spoken in full, after the real UN complained or something. | ||
:::: The name Unified is said to have been adapted sometime between Aliens of London and the Sontaran event; as correctly noted above this was due to the real U.N. objecting. In the context of the fictional Whoniverse, organizations change their names all the time, so presumably UNIT's mandate and governance structure changed in the 2000s. You will note in "The Sontaran Strategem" that it's also stated that UNIT now answers to the Department of Homeworld Security. | |||
* Plot hole not discontinuity: why would UNIT send that many armed soldiers just to tell Sarah Jane that the Doctor is dead? Why draw that kind of attention? There's no indication they expected any danger. Why not just send a couple of soldiers in one vehicle and be a lot less obtrusive? | * Plot hole not discontinuity: why would UNIT send that many armed soldiers just to tell Sarah Jane that the Doctor is dead? Why draw that kind of attention? There's no indication they expected any danger. Why not just send a couple of soldiers in one vehicle and be a lot less obtrusive? | ||
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:::: William Russell filmed linking video for at least [[The Crusade]] with no effort to hide his age. However, remember that Sarah Jane was getting her information from the Internet, so it is possible the rumor said both while it was Barbara who stayed young and Ian alone aged. They were seperated at times in their travels. | :::: William Russell filmed linking video for at least [[The Crusade]] with no effort to hide his age. However, remember that Sarah Jane was getting her information from the Internet, so it is possible the rumor said both while it was Barbara who stayed young and Ian alone aged. They were seperated at times in their travels. | ||
::::: Nowhere in the Links was a year stated; it could have been 150 years after [[The Crusade]] since it is stated that he never ages; presumably, this is an overstatement and he does age, but slowly. | ::::: Nowhere in the Links was a year stated; it could have been 150 years after [[The Crusade]] since it is stated that he never ages; presumably, this is an overstatement and he does age, but slowly. | ||
:::::: Also, the Crusade links are not necessarily considered canon, even by the generally open nature of it. | |||
* Why didn't the Shansheeth just kill the Doctor when they had the chance, instead of leaving him on that planet? Then they wouldn't even have to fake the funeral. | * Why didn't the Shansheeth just kill the Doctor when they had the chance, instead of leaving him on that planet? Then they wouldn't even have to fake the funeral. | ||
