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:Also, I think everyone agrees that the after-the-fact mystery is a great idea, but that doesn't mean it's the '''only''' good idea. Moffat could probably write the regeneration as a shocking twist, an unexpected but appropriately foreshadowed result of what happened earlier that year. RTD could probably give us a blatantly obvious and horribly contrived foregone conclusion and still make it appropriately dramatic—as he did with the 10th Doctor's sacrifice. It's a leap too far to go from "this idea has a lot to recommend it" to "this idea is the only one conceivable". That being said, I do want to reiterate that your idea does have a lot to recommend it, and I'm almost looking forward to seeing the "final farewell" that AthertonX describes. --[[Special:Contributions/70.36.140.233|70.36.140.233]]<sup>[[User talk:70.36.140.233#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:52, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
:Also, I think everyone agrees that the after-the-fact mystery is a great idea, but that doesn't mean it's the '''only''' good idea. Moffat could probably write the regeneration as a shocking twist, an unexpected but appropriately foreshadowed result of what happened earlier that year. RTD could probably give us a blatantly obvious and horribly contrived foregone conclusion and still make it appropriately dramatic—as he did with the 10th Doctor's sacrifice. It's a leap too far to go from "this idea has a lot to recommend it" to "this idea is the only one conceivable". That being said, I do want to reiterate that your idea does have a lot to recommend it, and I'm almost looking forward to seeing the "final farewell" that AthertonX describes. --[[Special:Contributions/70.36.140.233|70.36.140.233]]<sup>[[User talk:70.36.140.233#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:52, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
:AthertonX: I think you meant "a very emotional end to 13..." He's the one that won't expect to regenerate.
:As ever, it all depends on the quality of the writing but there's room for real tear-jerking sadness as 13 nears the end, followed by a mixture of comedy & seriousness when he regenerates unexpectedly. (Note, this isn't meant to be the actual dialog, just a rough outline of the idea.)
::Companion: "You told me you were going to die! You put me through all that heartache for nothing! All those things I said... I'm never going to speak to you again!"
::Fourteen: "I thought I '''was''' going to die. I don't know why I didn't! [pause] But I'm going to find out! And I'm going to need your help to do it. [pause] I could murder a cup of tea!"
:The Doctor usually suffers from regeneration trauma of one kind or another, too, which could be used to add further confusion to the post-regeneration scenes. (In that respect, Eleven got off very lightly, compared with most of his predecessors.)
:The companion, whoever it is at that time, has to represent the audience in his/her (probably her) reactions to the events. It's impossible to avoid a sense of let-down, as well as relief, that it's not the end, after all. The companion gives that a voice.
:However, the writers' real problems are only '''starting''' at that point. It's essential that the eventual explanation -- whatever it is -- for the unexpected regeneration is both logically sound (within the terms of the "Whoniverse") & very well presented.
:It also, of course, has to get rid of the regeneration limit entirely. This isn't something the show could get away with more than once.
:No, the the after-the-fact mystery isn't the only way it could be done. It's just the only way '''I''' can see it being done successfully. However, I'm not a brilliant, professional TV scriptwriter, so it's entirely possible that someone who '''is''' a brilliant, professional TV scriptwriter could find another way & make it work really well. In the end, it will always come down to how well it's written. --[[Special:Contributions/89.241.64.135|89.241.64.135]]<sup>[[User talk:89.241.64.135#top|talk to me]]</sup> 00:01, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
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