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b)The original discussion was about who MAGNUS was. Remember? So, as Divided Loyalties does not explicitly state that Magnus is the War Chief(the passage is on that discussion page), and as Divided Loyalties does not explicitly state that the Master can not be the War Chief.....who is Magnus? All we have is a non-narrative quote from Russell. Make of that what you will. [[Special:Contributions/41.133.0.18|41.133.0.18]]<sup>[[User talk:41.133.0.18#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:18, November 7, 2012 (UTC) | b)The original discussion was about who MAGNUS was. Remember? So, as Divided Loyalties does not explicitly state that Magnus is the War Chief(the passage is on that discussion page), and as Divided Loyalties does not explicitly state that the Master can not be the War Chief.....who is Magnus? All we have is a non-narrative quote from Russell. Make of that what you will. [[Special:Contributions/41.133.0.18|41.133.0.18]]<sup>[[User talk:41.133.0.18#top|talk to me]]</sup> 13:18, November 7, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::I was actually calling out the ridiculousness of your proposal. You need to start with evidence to prove something, you can't start with a lack of evidence as proof. That would be like saying; the Doctor and the Rani are the same person, because there's nothing in any media that says they aren't, which proves they could be. | |||
::''Divided Loyalties'' may contain multiple continuity problems, but that doesn't prove anything. There are hundreds more stories that contain far more, bigger and greater contradictions that ''Divided Loyalties'' does. Compared to say ''[[War of the Daleks (novel)]]'' it's tiny. | |||
::So '''''no''''' '''I do not believe''' that the fact that Divided Loyalties having ''perceived'' continuity problems is relevant to this discussion. In fact I don't believe it's relevant to any discussion that's not in the Howling. | |||
::The point in the myths section of The War Games states that the FASA ''[[Time Lord (role playing book)]]'' states is where the War Chief = the Master is from. | |||
::I thought you were arguing that Magnus/the War Chief was the Master? And I thought that the quote you provided from Russell and info in ''Divided Loyalties'' proves that the Magnus is the War Chief. Your initial heading to the Magnus discussion which said "Magnus is supposed to be The Master!" kinda suggested that was the main thrust of your argument. | |||
::Finally, if we're to get into the Divided Loyalties discussion, right near the end on page 247/8 there is an epilogue which in amongst it states that; | |||
:::''"Koschei who, after leaving Gallifrey to seek his fortune, came upon the DarkHeart, a malevolent force that was to imbue him with a new sense of direction."'' - Page 247 | |||
::and | |||
:::''"Unlike Magnus, the only one of the Deca to leave Gallifrey and face a rather ignoble end. Obsessed with the Aliens and their war games, he fled his homeworld and joined them, offering his services to build TARDISes for them. [...] The War Lord, however, was not as foolish as he seemed, although he was prone to bouts of extreme paranoia. And it was in one of these moods that he had Magnus executed when the final war game scheme fell apart and the Time Lords finally carried out their threat of erasure."'' - Page 248 | |||
::Both are fairly explicitly different people and referring to different events, ''[[The Dark Path (novel)]]'' and ''[[The War Games (TV story)]]'' and are presented separately with Mortimus' account being between these two. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:53, November 7, 2012 (UTC) | |||
