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:::I'm also inclined to agree that Spheres stands on its own. Watching it with a critical eye, yes it is made to have the other side with the audience answering back and all. ''But'' it does follow the conventions of panto and when viewed in that way it does make sense. For a 'for example' there's always ''[[Oh No It Isn't!]]'' (and especially the audio version ''[[Oh No It Isn't! (audio drama)]]'') which also follow panto conventions (admittedly to the extreme and deliberately). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC) | :::I'm also inclined to agree that Spheres stands on its own. Watching it with a critical eye, yes it is made to have the other side with the audience answering back and all. ''But'' it does follow the conventions of panto and when viewed in that way it does make sense. For a 'for example' there's always ''[[Oh No It Isn't!]]'' (and especially the audio version ''[[Oh No It Isn't! (audio drama)]]'') which also follow panto conventions (admittedly to the extreme and deliberately). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::The other nifty thing about it is that these panto conventions is that they occur for a scripted reason. The Doctor's forcing the audience to repeat back to him because he actually can't hear them through the portal at first. Tennant/Davies very cleverly make the audience participation plausible. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 00:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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::I agree with CzechOut. There isn't any '''real''' fourth wall breakage (leave that to ''The Feast of Steven''), here in Sphere's there reason and the story works around it. Attack of the Graske is much more in the fourth wall category than this episode, we're still observing this, just as when we're looking through a Dalek's eye piece or through a camera within the story, the Doctor still looks to 'camera' and speaks is he talking to 'us' the audience or the character within the story, that for all intents and purposes is the hole in the TARDIS. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC) | ::I agree with CzechOut. There isn't any '''real''' fourth wall breakage (leave that to ''The Feast of Steven''), here in Sphere's there reason and the story works around it. Attack of the Graske is much more in the fourth wall category than this episode, we're still observing this, just as when we're looking through a Dalek's eye piece or through a camera within the story, the Doctor still looks to 'camera' and speaks is he talking to 'us' the audience or the character within the story, that for all intents and purposes is the hole in the TARDIS. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:53, 28 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Well I disagree. The Feast of Steven issue is problematic, I grant you. I suggest a compromise, which I have added, that the canoncity is uncertain. Just as Time Crash's canonicity was equally uncertain until Moffat said it was canon. Let's wait and see if RTD or Moffat say anything to this effect. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 20:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC) | :::Well I disagree. The Feast of Steven issue is problematic, I grant you. I suggest a compromise, which I have added, that the canoncity is uncertain. Just as Time Crash's canonicity was equally uncertain until Moffat said it was canon. Let's wait and see if RTD or Moffat say anything to this effect. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 20:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::I'm not a fan of this compromise. There's nothing uncertain about the canonicity. It's canon, if somewhat inconsequential. That said, I think it does afford greater definition of the Graske — this is the most a Graske has ever spoken — and does give us a nice through-line on his musical ambitions. Why does he recognize that it's the Albert Hall? Cause this Doctor's a big fan of popular music, as evidenced by ''[[Tooth and Claw]]'', ''[[Attack of the Graske]]'' and now this. He throughly enjoys music because he is himself something of a composer. This ties into several stories in other media as well, perhaps most clearly [[Jonathan Morris]]': "[[Opera of Doom]]" from the [[Doctor Who Storybook 2007|2007 Storybook]]. It's just as valid to say that the reason he often drops references to a wide range of musicians and musical "events" is because he's something of a musical theorist, as it is to say that the Second Doctor played a recorder or that the Third Doctor liked to sing traditional Earth ballads. This Doctor's appreciation of music is more wide-ranging than his predecessors cause he is, by now, older and wiser. | |||
:::And ''Time Crash' wasn't of uncertain canonicity, ever. It's directly tied into LoTL and VoD. You don't need the word of Moffat to tell you it's canon, surely. It's the whole reason the Tenth Doctor runs into the ''Titanic''. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 00:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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