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:::Agreed, Kayne. It can't be some pre-First Doctor incarnation because Hurt's character ''broke'' the promise of the Doctor, meaning he existed sometime after 1 originally took the name of the Doctor. Hurt probably isn't an incarnation we've seen before, so that most likely puts him between 8 and 9. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 22:11, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
:::Agreed, Kayne. It can't be some pre-First Doctor incarnation because Hurt's character ''broke'' the promise of the Doctor, meaning he existed sometime after 1 originally took the name of the Doctor. Hurt probably isn't an incarnation we've seen before, so that most likely puts him between 8 and 9. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 22:11, May 23, 2013 (UTC)


Let us also examine some of the facts that we do know for sure. Eccleston was asked to do the 50th show and declined. McGann hasn't made it public that he was asked, but did say his role in the special probably had a lot to do with Eccleston's response. There was intent to include the "9th", but not a necessity as we now know. Last fact before conjecture - John Hurt is, to put it blunt, old. This is why I think he will not be cast (as interesting as it would be) as a future doctor and carry the show himself. The fact that the TARIDS interior was the same suggests that Moffat will end the show with Smith. We know from season six that the Smith Doctor is not the 13th, because we saw him start to regenerate - this is why I feel meta-crisis doctor isn't a regen. That episode also confirmed that the Doctor can be killed before regen, allowing Smith to still be the last Doctor if the BBC thinks the show will tank if they replace Smith.
:::Bold Clone: I'd not say I support the "between 8 and 9" theory. What I would say is that that's the period in the Doctor's life that seems the most likely fit. However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of some way of putting the "Hurt Doctor" into that period '''without''' inserting him between 8 & 9. We know very little about what happened in the Time War. We know it was full of horrors but the main thing we know is that it was a '''Time''' War. That opens so many possibilities for the manipulation of time by both sides that Moffat could use some kind of "timey-wimey" method to take the "Hurt Doctor" out of the linear sequence. I should say, though, that I'm far from sure that's what Moffat '''will''' do &, even if he does do that, I'd not claim to know '''how''' he'll do it. --[[Special:Contributions/89.240.243.203|89.240.243.203]]<sup>[[User talk:89.240.243.203#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:35, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
This is why I subscribe to the "missing" doctor theory. A mystery Doctor born from/in war and only existing in a time locked time war, sounds like a pretty big secret, especially if he committed war crimes. In fact....the only people who would have ever known about his existence....died. The Doctor was imprisoned for a duration of time during the war. Could maybe he have regenerated in jail and became the Doctor who stole the key to the Moment and used it? He may have been a brutal horrific one track minded warrior bent on escape and ending the war without giving anyone a choice in the matter, something that both 9, 10, and 11 all severely swore by.  
::::Yeah, me too; Moffet always seems to have an ace up his sleeve. I'm wondering if Hurt might be an alternate Ninth Doctor. He'd still appear in the Doctor's timeline, but yet maintain Eccleston as 9 (and Tennant as 10, and Smith as 11...), and is at least plausible considering that Hurt probably fought in the ''Time'' War. Thoughts? --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 23:56, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
  I also think that the "you're the eleventh Doctor.." line by Clara is hugely significant. It confirms and yet completely brings into question what we all assumed was the Doctor's history. -- High Five City
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