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So, in [[Series 6 (Doctor Who)]], it was [[The Silence]] going to great lengths (maybe even causing the TARDIS to explode in [[Series 5 (Doctor Who)]] ) to prevent [[The Doctor]] from being "on the fields of [[Trenzalore]] at the fall of The Eleventh". Nevermind that it didn't look like there were any fields there, in [[The Name of the Doctor (TV story)]], [[Steven Moffat]] put together some kind of alliance between [[The Great Intelligence]] and The Whispermen...I suppose that snowmen were no longer available on a planet that looks volcanic? I'm guessing that that The Whispermen have nothing against The Doctor and are just agents of the Great Intelligence like The Silence had creatures/people working on its behalf. | So, in [[Series 6 (Doctor Who)]], it was [[The Silence]] going to great lengths (maybe even causing the TARDIS to explode in [[Series 5 (Doctor Who)]] ) to prevent [[The Doctor]] from being "on the fields of [[Trenzalore]] at the fall of The Eleventh". Nevermind that it didn't look like there were any fields there, in [[The Name of the Doctor (TV story)]], [[Steven Moffat]] put together some kind of alliance between [[The Great Intelligence]] and The Whispermen...I suppose that snowmen were no longer available on a planet that looks volcanic? I'm guessing that that The Whispermen have nothing against The Doctor and are just agents of the Great Intelligence like The Silence had creatures/people working on its behalf. | ||
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:: Welcome, I was actually looking for the one I'd seen at least as much which was eventually found by Imamadmad above (thanks). Not sure why it didn't come up when I searched Google I think I could quote Clara on that too. I found the one I did post off a page with links to loads of quotes, but not that one.[[User:DCT|DCT]] [[User talk:DCT|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:56, June 3, 2013 (UTC) | :: Welcome, I was actually looking for the one I'd seen at least as much which was eventually found by Imamadmad above (thanks). Not sure why it didn't come up when I searched Google I think I could quote Clara on that too. I found the one I did post off a page with links to loads of quotes, but not that one.[[User:DCT|DCT]] [[User talk:DCT|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:56, June 3, 2013 (UTC) | ||
Well, one thing that all of Moffat's quotes on the 50th might mean is that he is going to start another spinoff series based on the events of the 50th. He could very well start an "early years" spinoff while still finishing the main series progression to the grand and final end of the Doctor's timeline. Or, then again, he might just put the main progression on hiatus while he explores those early years in Series 8, or as I had suggested in another discussion, he might just press the universal reset button and start the whole series over again relegating everything thus far to alternate timeline. The man is an evil mad genius, and could theoretically do whatever he wants. I've been enjoying it thus far, so I'll let him rewrite the universe as many times as he wants. ;) [[User:Doram baramour|Doram baramour]] [[User talk:Doram baramour|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:05, June 6, 2013 (UTC) | Well, one thing that all of Moffat's quotes on the 50th might mean is that he is going to start another spinoff series based on the events of the 50th. He could very well start an "early years" spinoff while still finishing the main series progression to the grand and final end of the Doctor's timeline. Or, then again, he might just put the main progression on hiatus while he explores those early years in Series 8, or as I had suggested in another discussion, he might just press the universal reset button and start the whole series over again, relegating everything thus far to alternate timeline. The man is an evil mad genius, and could theoretically do whatever he wants. I've been enjoying it thus far, so I'll let him rewrite the universe as many times as he wants. ;) [[User:Doram baramour|Doram baramour]] [[User talk:Doram baramour|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:05, June 6, 2013 (UTC) | ||
: That would annoy a lot of people if he doesn't finish the stories he's on first. However I can totally see him doing something like that and trying to use it to resolve loads of problems. Except it might defeat the point of the BBC not rebooting the show when they had the most logical chance.[[User:DCT|DCT]] [[User talk:DCT|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:55, June 7, 2013 (UTC) | |||
I grew up reading comic books, and so the JSA/JLA crossovers became part of the calender. I remember when they started, and grew accustomed to parallel earths and alternate timelines and such. And I realize that this approach has become an almost common feature in comic books (and comic book based films.) But it would greatly offend me if done with The Doctor because his history is so robust, his characterizations much more than "2 dimensional", and because he was designed to not need to do a "Year One" style redo. He can travel to alternate universes, and experiance alternate time lines. AND his portrayer can change completely in appearance and manner. And while many comic book fans are also fans of the Doctor, most of the people I know who watch the Doctor do not read comic books, and so would not accept it so easily as comic fans might. | |||
The Time Lords once offered The Master a new full set of regenerations. Who knows what they did during the Time War when their survival was at stake. We have already seen the Doctor killed in ways that prevent regeneration. There doesn't have to be a "Final Regeneration Possible" to create drama around the Doctor's survival. As far as I am concerned, the Doctor can have as many regenerations as he needs.[[User:Phil Stone|Phil Stone]] [[User talk:Phil Stone|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:40, June 7, 2013 (UTC) | |||
The Time Lords not only offered The Master a new full set of regenerations (in ''[[The Five Doctors (TV story)|The Five Doctors]]'') but also, as revealed in ''[[Utopia (TV story)|Utopia]]'' &c, they resurrected him during the Time War '''with''' a new set of regenerations. The ''[[The Five Doctors (TV story)|The Five Doctors]]'' also established that Rassilon had gained immortality via "perpetual bodily regeneration". The classic series did establish the 12-regeneration limit but never said where that limit came from & it also established that the limit '''wasn't absolute'''. There's enough in the show's past to provide a way around the limit, without any need to scrap anything. --[[Special:Contributions/2.96.16.231|2.96.16.231]]<sup>[[User talk:2.96.16.231#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:36, June 7, 2013 (UTC) | |||
: And there is also the matter of River Song "giving" the Doctor her remaining regenerations (10?11?) to heal him after he was poisoned. Did these regenerations just serve to cure him? Or did she actually pass along her regenerations? Moffat could have easily created a simple antidote to her poison (her lipstick never killed people in other episodes) but he specifically had her heal him by giving him her regenerations. This serves two purposes: It explains why we would only see one incarnation of an adult River and it might explain why the Doctor has additional regenerations. [[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]] [[User talk:Badwolff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:05, June 7, 2013 (UTC) | |||
:: The Doctor said that those regenerations were "used up," so he most likely did not get to keep them, Besides, they were used to ''bring the Doctor back to life''; that's not something that should come as cheap as kissing him and giving him your remaining regens all wrapped up in a bow. What River did was basically what the Doctor did in ''The Angels Take Manhattan'' where he used some of his regen energy in order to heal River's wrist, and if you'll remember, she got mad at him for that, saying that he was "wasting" regeneration energy. Frankly, I'm more interested to see if they'll factor in the half-regeneration from ''Journey's End'' when it comes time to deal with the limit. Logically, they should, as he still used up a whole regen's worth. [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] [[User talk:Ensephylon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:08, June 8, 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::Unless, of course, it's not how much regeneration energy a Time Lord has that determines how many times they can regenerate, but how they use it. Put better: maybe Time Lords can only physically survive regeneration energy shooting through them 12 times, and since 10 shot the regeneration energy into something else, it took a "side route" and didn't fully affect him. (That made more sense in my head.) Or maybe its ''changing'' 12 times that takes the toll. 10 didn't physically change, so it didn't count. And Romana could "try out" so many forms because she was doing so during a certain "buffer" period of time. And the Time Lords gained the power to regenerate from the Untempered Schism, which the High Council might somehow be able to control the effects of, so they gave the Master new sets of regenerations and/or the ability to survive more. Or, it was by High Council decree that Time Lords were limited to 12 regenerations, and since the Council is gone, the rule no longer applies (we haven't heard otherwise, I don't think). (And this is getting off topic from the original post.) —[[User:BioniclesaurKing4t2|BioniclesaurKing4t2]] - [[User talk:BioniclesaurKing4t2|"Hello, I'm the Doctor.]] [[Special:Contributions/BioniclesaurKing4t2|Basically, . . . ''run''."]] 00:28, June 11, 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::: Yeah, @BioniclesaurKing4t2, I never quite understood that regenerating-with-severed-hand-and-meta-crisis-Tenth-Doctor storyline but I just saw it as a convenient storytelling device and a way to make Rose fans happy. I think of that whole bit as an asterisk (*) on the list of Doctor incarnations and, along with it, how The Doctor was able to be "killed" by radiation and yet...have the time, energy, life and wherewithal to go make a farewell trip and go see his old Companions. I think Moffat learned from that prolonged regeneration and will have the Eleventh depart more like the Ninth than the Tenth. [[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]] [[User talk:Badwolff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:46, June 12, 2013 (UTC) | |||
