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: Yes, Clara saw Ten & Donna from behind, as they looked out from the balcony (or whatever it was). I wasn't doubtful that Clara interacted with River in the Library because I thought Clara wasn't there but because I thought that might be a bit too late in River's timestream. If Clara needed River to set things up, there'd not be much point telling her so only just before she (River) died & when River was rather fully occupied, anyway. Catching her at an earlier point in her timestream, when River would have the chance to do something about it, would make more sense. --[[Special:Contributions/2.96.16.231|2.96.16.231]]<sup>[[User talk:2.96.16.231#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:48, June 7, 2013 (UTC) | : Yes, Clara saw Ten & Donna from behind, as they looked out from the balcony (or whatever it was). I wasn't doubtful that Clara interacted with River in the Library because I thought Clara wasn't there but because I thought that might be a bit too late in River's timestream. If Clara needed River to set things up, there'd not be much point telling her so only just before she (River) died & when River was rather fully occupied, anyway. Catching her at an earlier point in her timestream, when River would have the chance to do something about it, would make more sense. --[[Special:Contributions/2.96.16.231|2.96.16.231]]<sup>[[User talk:2.96.16.231#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:48, June 7, 2013 (UTC) | ||
:: This is such a brilliant conversation because we are all trying to figure this puzzle out! It's not an "I'm right, you're wrong" debate. I'm learning something from everything I'm reading. | |||
:: I only read some of the newest comments (above) because it's blowing my mind trying to follow the discussion. I'll get to more later. But a few things that occur to me: | |||
::: * The implications of Clara actually interacting in the Doctor's timeline throughout his life. I know that this is a new storyline and Moffat can't go back and rewrite DW history so I guess that we just have to take it on faith that the Doctor was too absorbed in whatever he was doing not to notice (until Christmas 2012) that he'd encountered Clara hundreds of times before. It does stretch plausibility even more so than postulating a Big Bang II! | |||
::: * If there was any foreknowledge on River's part about what was going to occur why would she (and the Doctor) tell Clara not to enter the timeline and then later try to discourage the Doctor from entering it himself. If she knew that Clara would actually help the Doctor's timeline, why would she discourage her from going? Because she didn't know this. Compare this to Amy...she had no way to know if Amy was even going to end up in the same location and time as Rory but she didn't discourage Amy from trying. [[User:Badwolff|Badwolff]] [[User talk:Badwolff|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:57, June 7, 2013 (UTC) |
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