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Another problem with "Hurt is Valeyard" is that Hurt seemed as if he was forced to be the one to take the fall for making a tough decision, though one he felt was needed and perhaps justified, a feeling which might have been part of the reason he lost the name "Doctor" (either by the others deciding or even by his own decision). By contrast, the Valeyard sounds more like a pure outright "bad guy", trying to sentence the Doctor for any crime he could. I just don't see them as having the same stories, which, as you know, "we all are in the end". And as for Journey's End 10 actually being 11, he may have "spent" the regeneration energy, but would he had to have actually "used" it on ''himself'' for it to count as one of ''his'' regenerations? Another potential loophole to exploit? —[[User:BioniclesaurKing4t2|BioniclesaurKing4t2]] - [[User talk:BioniclesaurKing4t2|"Hello, I'm the Doctor.]] [[Special:Contributions/BioniclesaurKing4t2|Basically, . . . ''run''."]] 04:52, June 14, 2013 (UTC) | Another problem with "Hurt is Valeyard" is that Hurt seemed as if he was forced to be the one to take the fall for making a tough decision, though one he felt was needed and perhaps justified, a feeling which might have been part of the reason he lost the name "Doctor" (either by the others deciding or even by his own decision). By contrast, the Valeyard sounds more like a pure outright "bad guy", trying to sentence the Doctor for any crime he could. I just don't see them as having the same stories, which, as you know, "we all are in the end". And as for Journey's End 10 actually being 11, he may have "spent" the regeneration energy, but would he had to have actually "used" it on ''himself'' for it to count as one of ''his'' regenerations? Another potential loophole to exploit? —[[User:BioniclesaurKing4t2|BioniclesaurKing4t2]] - [[User talk:BioniclesaurKing4t2|"Hello, I'm the Doctor.]] [[Special:Contributions/BioniclesaurKing4t2|Basically, . . . ''run''."]] 04:52, June 14, 2013 (UTC) | ||
I was just making a post which said some of the same things. I dont think Hurt is the Valeyard. His interchange with the Doctor at the end of "Name.." was hardly what one would expect. The Doctor seemed to acknowledge that he had no alternatives, and didn't dispute that he was only motivated by a pursuit of peace and sanity. It is only at the use of the word "name" that the Doctor blanches. | |||
Now perhaps it was not a real dialogue because they were not real to one another, and the Doctor saw no point in really taking him on because he did not think Hurt coould really hear him, or perhaps because Hurt in the timestream is only really a shado of Hurt. But it still doesn't sound to me like what the Doctor would say to the Valeyard. | |||
I have said on other threads that I suspect Hurt is really the person with whom Porridge sympathizes,the person who pushed the button to end the CyberWar, at a very great cost of life. (Nightmare in Silver) Compare that action to the 9th Doctor, who had prepared a weapon which would have destroyed all the remaining Daleks, but he would not use it because it would also kill millions on Earth. First, do no harm, is the ancient code of the physician. If River is correct and we get our word "Doctor" from him, perhaps we also get the physician's moral code as well. If 9 had set off the device to defeat the Daleks, he would have broken the promise too.[[User:Phil Stone|Phil Stone]] [[User talk:Phil Stone|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:26, June 14, 2013 (UTC) | |||
