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: And that would be a non-sequitar. You can't ague the mindset of the Tenth at a particular position by referencing the mindset of the elventh at a different position several hundred years later. A lot has happened since then. | : And that would be a non-sequitar. You can't ague the mindset of the Tenth at a particular position by referencing the mindset of the elventh at a different position several hundred years later. A lot has happened since then. | ||
: Do I think the tenth was suicidal? I have only just started watching the episode for the first time since they were originally transmitted so can't comment bsolutely but at the moment I think we need stronger evidence generally to claim that sort of thing really. It's pretty massive. | : Do I think the tenth was suicidal? I have only just started watching the episode for the first time since they were originally transmitted so can't comment bsolutely but at the moment I think we need stronger evidence generally to claim that sort of thing really. It's pretty massive. | ||
: However the tenth Doctor from the moment we met him, questioning his identity to the moment he regenerated with, as you mention, "I don't want to go." he seemed more unique than any other incarnation so far. He seems to see himself, Doctor 10, as an individual, independent from either the incarnations that preceded him or those that will follow him. He sees his regeneration as actually death to him else why else make the comment. But even so why would he need to share that thought with the audience? It seems pretty obvious if 10 sees himself that way, it echoes the words of Cassandra in New Earth, of course, but it may also be intentionally given as the answer to a question that his internal dialogue has been debating for sometime. So the preposition that the tenth had a suicidal aspect in his character, while likely is not, however, completely unfounded.[[User:DCT|DCT]] [[User talk:DCT|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:06, August 1, 2013 (UTC) | : However the tenth Doctor from the moment we met him, questioning his identity to the moment he regenerated with,- as you mention, "I don't want to go." he seemed more unique than any other incarnation so far. He seems to see himself, Doctor 10, as an individual, independent from either the incarnations that preceded him or those that will follow him. He sees his regeneration as actually death to him else why else make the comment. But even so why would he need to share that thought with the audience? It seems pretty obvious if 10 sees himself that way, it echoes the words of Cassandra in New Earth, of course, but it may also be intentionally given as the answer to a question that his internal dialogue has been debating for sometime. So the preposition that the tenth had a suicidal aspect in his character, while likely is not, however, completely unfounded.[[User:DCT|DCT]] [[User talk:DCT|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:06, August 1, 2013 (UTC) | ||
I agree with the ones above. The UNIT officer thought he drowned too fast to regenerate, but that isn't true. In The Runaway Bride, Donna tells him to stop - without her, he doesn't, and he lets himself die. Why? Because he's just gone through a horrific ordeal with losing Rose to the sealed off parallel world, and had no desire to live. This was displayed repeatedly in series 3. For example: in the Daleks in Manhattan episode, he basically screams at a Dalek to kill him because "it's his turn." This episode added an entirely new depth to that Christmas special and the Doctor's character and state of mind at that point in the show. | I agree with the ones above. The UNIT officer thought he drowned too fast to regenerate, but that isn't true. In The Runaway Bride, Donna tells him to stop - without her, he doesn't, and he lets himself die. Why? Because he's just gone through a horrific ordeal with losing Rose to the sealed off parallel world, and had no desire to live. This was displayed repeatedly in series 3. For example: in the Daleks in Manhattan episode, he basically screams at a Dalek to kill him because "it's his turn." This episode added an entirely new depth to that Christmas special and the Doctor's character and state of mind at that point in the show. | ||
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:Please sign your posts with four tildes as directed above. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:34, January 28, 2014 (UTC) | :Please sign your posts with four tildes as directed above. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:34, January 28, 2014 (UTC) | ||
I don't think the Doctor wanted to die. I just think he didn't ''not'' want to die, if you know what I mean. I don't think his sadness was caused solely by the loss of Rose, but also a lot by what her loss represented to him. The loss of a companion alone wouldn't be something he would actively kill himself over, as can be seen by the fact he's still alive following the deaths of both Adric and (the supposed death of) Peri, along with others who don't immediately spring to mind. Before meeting Rose, the Doctor was in a state of grief, guilt and self-loathing following the end of the time war, and it was Rose who helped him move on from that. Losing Rose could have easily thrown him back into the stream of those emotions, as if losing his grip on the rock anchoring him in the turbulent river of his guilt and grief. Also, Rose was the first companion the Doctor allowed himself to romantically love, probably the first person since his wife back on Gallifrey; Susan's grandmother. I can't help but think that because of the lack of any other family member of the Doctor being shown apart from Susan that something terrible must have happened to the rest of the Doctor's family (maybe one of the factors leading to him running away?). Is it not plausible that Rose's loss would dredge back up the memories of losing his wife and the rest of his family? The combined grief from losing Rose, the memories of what he had (supposedly) done in the time war, and the memories of what had happened to his family might have just been too much when added together. And while I don't think the Doctor actively tried to kill himself, I don't think he would have put much effort into escaping his demise either because of this combined grief and guilt over his continued existence after the death of so many, accepting the inevitable and choosing not to regenerate when the time came because drowning once would surely be a lot less painful than drowning, regenerating, drowning in the new body, regenerating again, and drowning one final time before his regeneration cycle was complete, which, when you think about it, is what would have happened if the Doctor got trapped underwater. {{SUBST:User:Imamadmad/signature}} 10:36, February 23, 2014 (UTC) | |||
