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:I edited that line. I assume the idea comes from the novel ''Engines of War'', which says on pages 11-12: "Cinder had heard it said that in simple, linear terms, the war had been going on for over four hundred years. This, of course, was an untruth, or at least an irrelevance; the temporal war zones had permeated so far and so deep into the very structure of the universe that the conflict had--quite literally--been raging for eternity. There was no epoch that remained unscathed, uncontested, no history that had not been rewritten." However, the fact that the war itself had been going on for over 400 years can't be taken as proof that the War Doctor had been fighting for that long, since the Time War was already going on in ''Night of the Doctor'' when the Eighth regenerated into the War Doctor, and ''Engines of War'' says that the War Doctor himself had aged by "a hundred years or more", saying on p. 20: "Around him, the roundels on the walls glowed with a faint luminescence, causing the craggy lines on his face to be picked out in shadow: the map of a hundred years or more, worn thin through conflict and weariness." Also, the end of ''Engines of War'' seems to be a direct lead-in to ''The Day of the Doctor'', with the Doctor resolving "No More". [[User:Hypnosifl|Hypnosifl]] [[User talk:Hypnosifl|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:47, June 12, 2015 (UTC) | :I edited that line. I assume the idea comes from the novel ''Engines of War'', which says on pages 11-12: "Cinder had heard it said that in simple, linear terms, the war had been going on for over four hundred years. This, of course, was an untruth, or at least an irrelevance; the temporal war zones had permeated so far and so deep into the very structure of the universe that the conflict had--quite literally--been raging for eternity. There was no epoch that remained unscathed, uncontested, no history that had not been rewritten." However, the fact that the war itself had been going on for over 400 years can't be taken as proof that the War Doctor had been fighting for that long, since the Time War was already going on in ''Night of the Doctor'' when the Eighth regenerated into the War Doctor, and ''Engines of War'' says that the War Doctor himself had aged by "a hundred years or more", saying on p. 20: "Around him, the roundels on the walls glowed with a faint luminescence, causing the craggy lines on his face to be picked out in shadow: the map of a hundred years or more, worn thin through conflict and weariness." Also, the end of ''Engines of War'' seems to be a direct lead-in to ''The Day of the Doctor'', with the Doctor resolving "No More". [[User:Hypnosifl|Hypnosifl]] [[User talk:Hypnosifl|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:47, June 12, 2015 (UTC) | ||
:Thanks. What prompted me to check the "400 years" was the absence of any source indication. I '''always''' get suspicious when something's presented as fact without anything to say where it comes from. (Probably the legacy of too many encounters with -- shall we say -- "controversialists" who assert without backing up their assertions.) I'd rather say the evidence is inconclusive or missing, when that's the case, than be more definite than the evidence warrants. | |||
:I, too, read ''Engines of War'' as being set shortly before ''The Day of the Doctor''. However, I'd not like to say how long it had been, in the Doctor's timeline, since ''The Night of the Doctor''. ''The Night...'' suggested the war had already been going for a long time, without actually stating how long. The change in War Doctor's appearance between ''The Night...'' & ''The Day...'' also indicates a long interval, especially considering how little the Eleventh Doctor's appearance changed in 200 years during Series 6. Of course, Eleven wasn't in the midst of the horrors of the Time War, so the War Doctor might have aged much more rapidly. The passage you quote from p20 of ''Engines...'' indicates he did. | |||
:As I say, thanks for the edit -- & for citing your source! :) --[[Special:Contributions/89.241.208.134|89.241.208.134]]<sup>[[User talk:89.241.208.134#top|talk to me]]</sup> 04:44, June 13, 2015 (UTC) | |||
