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The {{tlx|speedy rename}} request asks that we de-capitalise (minisculise..lower-casify...there must be a word for this...) "Man", so that it should become '''Clockwork man (The Girl in the Fireplace)'''. Given the reasoning, it absolutely should be disambiguated, but is there a case for retaining the capitalisation? Also, if we were to rename this exactly as requested, [[Clockwork Woman]] would have to lose her capital Woman, as well.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 19:08, December 12, 2016 (UTC) | The {{tlx|speedy rename}} request asks that we de-capitalise (minisculise..lower-casify...there must be a word for this...) "Man", so that it should become '''Clockwork man (The Girl in the Fireplace)'''. Given the reasoning, it absolutely should be disambiguated, but is there a case for retaining the capitalisation? Also, if we were to rename this exactly as requested, [[Clockwork Woman]] would have to lose her capital Woman, as well.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 19:08, December 12, 2016 (UTC) | ||
: Personally I think that all of [[Clockwork Man]], [[Clockwork Woman]] and [[Clockwork Droid]] should either be lowercased [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lowercase] or the capital letter should be defended.[[T:HEAD SC]] prescribes to capitalise only proper nouns. And it's hard to claim that "man", "woman" or "droid" is a proper noun unless capitalised in-universe. For instance, "Mechanical" is always capitalised in the [[The Clockwise Man (novel)|novel]], making it a proper noun (and it is an unusual noun anyways). | : Personally I think that all of [[Clockwork Man (The Girl in the Fireplace)|Clockwork Man]], [[Clockwork Woman]] and [[Clockwork Droid]] should either be lowercased [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lowercase] or the capital letter should be defended.[[T:HEAD SC]] prescribes to capitalise only proper nouns. And it's hard to claim that "man", "woman" or "droid" is a proper noun unless capitalised in-universe. For instance, "Mechanical" is always capitalised in the [[The Clockwise Man (novel)|novel]], making it a proper noun (and it is an unusual noun anyways). | ||
::(Ha, thanks for the correct terminology!){{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:11, December 12, 2016 (UTC) | ::(Ha, thanks for the correct terminology!){{User:SOTO/sig}} 21:11, December 12, 2016 (UTC) | ||
:While the "droid" case deserves some research, perhaps, I cannot imagine any in-universe insistence on Man and Woman being proper names. You wouldn't, after all, expect to see a crew list of [[SS Madame de Pompadour|SS ''Madame de Pompadour'']] with "Clockwork Man" stated in big bold letters. The capitalisation clearly comes from the [[The_Girl_in_the_Fireplace_(TV_story)#Cast|credits at the end of the episode]], and it is a standard practice I've been pointed to several times by several admins to lowercase descriptive cast designations. Similarly, ''[[Time Works (audio story)|Time Works]]'', being an audio story, never mentions which letters should be capitalised. Clockwork men are not mentioned in the publisher's description (I checked). Hence, there is no reason to capitalise them either. | :While the "droid" case deserves some research, perhaps, I cannot imagine any in-universe insistence on Man and Woman being proper names. You wouldn't, after all, expect to see a crew list of [[SS Madame de Pompadour|SS ''Madame de Pompadour'']] with "Clockwork Man" stated in big bold letters. The capitalisation clearly comes from the [[The_Girl_in_the_Fireplace_(TV_story)#Cast|credits at the end of the episode]], and it is a standard practice I've been pointed to several times by several admins to lowercase descriptive cast designations. Similarly, ''[[Time Works (audio story)|Time Works]]'', being an audio story, never mentions which letters should be capitalised. Clockwork men are not mentioned in the publisher's description (I checked). Hence, there is no reason to capitalise them either. | ||
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::::::: I still believe he is the control node. But, as you say, it is an extrapolation of the information from ''Deep Breath'' based purely on his leadership role. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:55, December 13, 2016 (UTC) | ::::::: I still believe he is the control node. But, as you say, it is an extrapolation of the information from ''Deep Breath'' based purely on his leadership role. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:55, December 13, 2016 (UTC) | ||
== Conclusion == | |||
The pages have been renamed, and all clean-up necessary completed. Thanks to all who contributed. Thanks, Amorkuz. Thanks, me. You're welcome, me.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 08:21, December 13, 2016 (UTC) | |||
: And, when I create the page for clockwork men from ''Time Works'' (which I will do soon), I will add a "you may" to this page. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:29, December 13, 2016 (UTC) | |||
