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(There is absolutely no way that The Impossible Planet (or The Satan Pit) and Secrets of the Stars even HINT at this statement, never mind count as a valid source for that assertion. Adding other amendments from exactly what TSP says.)
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By [[the Doctor]]'s time, those who knew about the universe before it was made logically assumed that it was the universe that came before [[N-Space]]; according to some accounts, it was actually N-Space before history was created. When the universe was rationalised, many powerful species fled into other realities, many found their way back into [[N-Space]] and some (such as the [[Great Old One]]s) still followed the rules of the pre-Time Lord universe, giving them [[god]]-like powers. Thus, some of the most powerful beings in existence came from before [[Rassilon]] created a structure for time, making them older even than time itself. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', ''[[Millennial Rites]]'', ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'')
By [[the Doctor]]'s time, those who knew about the universe before it was made logically assumed that it was the universe that came before [[N-Space]]; according to some accounts, it was actually N-Space before history was created. When the universe was rationalised, many powerful species fled into other realities, many found their way back into [[N-Space]] and some (such as the [[Great Old One]]s) still followed the rules of the pre-Time Lord universe, giving them [[god]]-like powers. Thus, some of the most powerful beings in existence came from before [[Rassilon]] created a structure for time, making them older even than time itself. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', ''[[Millennial Rites]]'', ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'')


Another account contradicted this. [[The Beast (The Impossible Planet)|the Beast]], who purportedly came from this time, stated his origins were from the time before N-Space "came into existence" and before "the cataclysm". The Tenth Doctor disbelieved this, saying, "No life could have existed back then." ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'')
Another account contradicted this. [[The Beast (The Impossible Planet)|The Beast]], who purportedly came from this time, stated his origins were from the time before N-Space "came into existence" and before "the cataclysm". The Tenth Doctor disbelieved this, saying, "No life could have existed back then." ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'')


[[River Song]] noted a theory for the [[SporeShip]]s' origin, that they were leftover weapons from the war that wiped out the previous universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs (audio story)|Signs]]'')
[[River Song]] noted a theory for the [[SporeShip]]s' origin, that they were leftover weapons from the war that wiped out the previous universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs (audio story)|Signs]]'')
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