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*When he finally emerges from the morgue, Jack seems to be completely psychologically fit and unperturbed by the experience of having repeatedly suffocated to death several hundreds of thousands of times while buried alive. By conservative estimates (as stated above), he would've been dying at a rate of 15 times a month, which when multiplied by 12 (months in a year) and 1874 (years he was buried) would equal 337,320 highly traumatizing deaths by suffocation. And he's just fine? | *When he finally emerges from the morgue, Jack seems to be completely psychologically fit and unperturbed by the experience of having repeatedly suffocated to death several hundreds of thousands of times while buried alive. By conservative estimates (as stated above), he would've been dying at a rate of 15 times a month, which when multiplied by 12 (months in a year) and 1874 (years he was buried) would equal 337,320 highly traumatizing deaths by suffocation. And he's just fine? | ||
::In Fragments, they mentioned that Jack had died thousands of times already, perhaps he was simply used to it. Also, he was uncovered in 1901 and we see that he talks to the contemporary Torchwood employees in which he tells them to freeze him, so presumably he had that time to recover, he is seen there looking shaken and had recovered before he was frozen (we don't know precisely how much time he spent in 1901, granted the risk of meeting himself meant it was probably short). There may have been some technology which furthered a quick recovery. | ::In Fragments, they mentioned that Jack had died thousands of times already, perhaps he was simply used to it. Also, he was uncovered in 1901 and we see that he talks to the contemporary Torchwood employees in which he tells them to freeze him, so presumably he had that time to recover, he is seen there looking shaken and had recovered before he was frozen (we don't know precisely how much time he spent in 1901, granted the risk of meeting himself meant it was probably short). There may have been some technology which furthered a quick recovery. | ||
::It's also possible Jack stayed dead for long periods of time, perhaps even most of the time he was underground. I always figured he was unconscious for most of the time because the thing that killed him was still there constantly keeping him dead until it was removed so he could then revive. | |||
*Why does Gray call Jack, Jack? Jack didn't choose to use this name until he was an adult. | *Why does Gray call Jack, Jack? Jack didn't choose to use this name until he was an adult. | ||
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*The Time line is completely messed up. In [[Fragments (TV story)|Fragments]], it was 21 months since Ianto joined. That must be after [[Doomsday]], making Fragments February 2009 at the earliest. It also had Owen joined 4 years earlier making that 2005. However this episode states that Tosh covered for Owen as a Doctor in his second week - obviously a reference to [[Aliens of London]] - but that was 2006. Jack also states that 107 years have passed since Torchwood uncovered him in 1901, suggesting 2008. | *The Time line is completely messed up. In [[Fragments (TV story)|Fragments]], it was 21 months since Ianto joined. That must be after [[Doomsday]], making Fragments February 2009 at the earliest. It also had Owen joined 4 years earlier making that 2005. However this episode states that Tosh covered for Owen as a Doctor in his second week - obviously a reference to [[Aliens of London]] - but that was 2006. Jack also states that 107 years have passed since Torchwood uncovered him in 1901, suggesting 2008. | ||
::Torchwood series 2 is officially set in January to April 2008 from the team's excnahged messages on the in-universe websites, a novel or two set during this series, and dialouge. Series 3, which is one year. This is SUPPOSED to be in 2008. | ::Torchwood series 2 is officially set in January to April 2008 from the team's excnahged messages on the in-universe websites, a novel or two set during this series, and dialouge. Series 3, which is one year. This is SUPPOSED to be in 2008. | ||
:::Those certainly can't be reasonably trusted as much as the show itself, and in-show Fragments and Exit Wounds definitely mess up the timeline. He is correct that "21 months" makes the EARLIEST Fragments can occur February 2009, and that the "Space Pig" Tosh and Owen reference from Aliens of London must in fact take place in 2006, which is contradicted by "4 years" earlier whether this is in 2008 OR 2009. These are all set in stone within the continuity of the show. | |||
::You're absolutely right. Unfortunately this is not the only case where the writers have slipped up with the timing. However, the main issue here seems to be Owen's flashback. This can be chalked up to the "4" simply being a production error, or perhaps it actually is referring to mid-November 2005; Owen got three months off work to grieve according to the episode, so perhaps Jack came to see him at the graveyard at the end of that period, placing the start of his working there in mid-February 2006. The "Space Pig" incident from Aliens of London, then, could have occurred in the correct time as it was in Doctor Who - March 2006 - since it happened in his second week there, according to the story. As for Jack's defrosting date, I've got nothing. That probably just has to be a production error. Notice also that he doesn't give them the specific date, either, so obviously there had to be some more that went on there than what the writers have neglected. | |||
*Jack isn't buried very deep. This raises two issues: how does Gray know he wouldn't be dug up once Cardiff builders start reforming the land in the coming centuries? And since Jack is indestructible, couldn't he have dug his way out eventually? | *Jack isn't buried very deep. This raises two issues: how does Gray know he wouldn't be dug up once Cardiff builders start reforming the land in the coming centuries? And since Jack is indestructible, couldn't he have dug his way out eventually? | ||
::Since Gray is a time-traveller, he knew where to leave Jack so he wouldn't be disturbed (indeed, it's still a park in 1901). Jack later tells John that he saw the burial as his penance, so he may have chosen to not try and escape, perhaps realizing that John's signal ring would eventually attract Torchwood. Also, Jack isn't super-powered; it may have simply been physically impossible for him to move with the weight of the dirt on him. | ::Since Gray is a time-traveller, he knew where to leave Jack so he wouldn't be disturbed (indeed, it's still a park in 1901). Jack later tells John that he saw the burial as his penance, so he may have chosen to not try and escape, perhaps realizing that John's signal ring would eventually attract Torchwood. Also, Jack isn't super-powered; it may have simply been physically impossible for him to move with the weight of the dirt on him. | ||
:::Not to mention it is likely he was unconscious for much of the time under the dirt. | |||
*What happened to John's signal ring? | *What happened to John's signal ring? | ||
