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::Quite correct, [[User:PicassoAndPringles|PicassoAndPringles]]. I don't think ''Listen'' allows us to even call the "male voice" in the scene the boy's father. He speaks of "the other boys" in a way that seems more like someone running an orphanage than someone talking about his own children. | ::Quite correct, [[User:PicassoAndPringles|PicassoAndPringles]]. I don't think ''Listen'' allows us to even call the "male voice" in the scene the boy's father. He speaks of "the other boys" in a way that seems more like someone running an orphanage than someone talking about his own children. | ||
::In any case, this article has become massively confused. It should likely be separated into four articles: [[Ulysses]], [[Daniel Joyce]], [[Chronotis]] and [[The Doctor's | ::In any case, this article has become massively confused. It should likely be separated into four articles: [[Ulysses]], [[Daniel Joyce]], [[Chronotis]] and [[The Doctor's father]], with an attempt made to include in each of those article only information that is ''directly'' stated about those people. In other words, we should assume that they are different individuals until absolutely convincing proof is put forward. At that point, and only at that point, we could talk about merging whichever ones need to be merged. | ||
::It's important to remember that Lance Parkin, the writer of the only two books I can find to directly mention Ulysses, ''The Infinity Doctors'' and ''The Gallifrey Chronicles'', firmly says in the former that Ulysses is ''not'' the Doctor's father. | ::It's important to remember that Lance Parkin, the writer of the only two books I can find to directly mention Ulysses, ''The Infinity Doctors'' and ''The Gallifrey Chronicles'', firmly says in the former that Ulysses is ''not'' the Doctor's father. |