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First, "the mindset of the copyright holders" who made things like Dimensions in Time and the FASA Doctor Who Role Playing Game was clearly '''not''' that what they were making was extra-continuous. But I'll let that go here. Because that's not what this discussion is about. Neither is it about whether Divided Loyalties is canon, nor whether Gary Russell intended Divided Loyalties to be extra-continuous. | First, "the mindset of the copyright holders" who made things like Dimensions in Time and the FASA Doctor Who Role Playing Game was clearly '''not''' that what they were making was extra-continuous. But I'll let that go here. Because that's not what this discussion is about. Neither is it about whether Divided Loyalties is canon, nor whether Gary Russell intended Divided Loyalties to be extra-continuous. | ||
The '''only''' point here is that in Divided Loyalties The Doctor has a dream. Stuff happens in that dream, as stuff happens in everyone's dreams. However people here are using stuff '''that only happens in the dream and NOWHERE else''' for biographical details and information in articles. As an example, the term "Deca" is only ever used in a '''dream'''. [[The Rani]] being referred to as "Ushas" only ever happens in the dream. Magnus being identified as [[The War Chief]] only ever occurs in the dream. Thus, this is ''not'' about whether Divided Loyalties is canon. I made that clear. It is about the idea that something someone ''dreams'' can be used for biographical details/background history/story information. If something is used elsewhere(eg [[The Master]] was also called "Koschei" in [[Dark Path]]) then that is ok. But any names, revelations, details etc. that only occur within the dream are clearly not acceptable for biographical detail. Again, not Divided Loyalties as a whole, '''only''' the dream sequence within Divided Loyalties. If anything within the dream isn't confirmed elsewhere, then '''that''' is not canon. To give a real world analogy, you could have a dream where you're President of the USA. If someone writes a biography of you, they wouldn't include that you were President of the USA, because that's just something you dreamed, not something that actually happened. So any references that can only be "verified" '''within the dream''' need to go. [[Special:Contributions/41.133.0.68|41.133.0.68]]<sup>[[User talk:41.133.0.68#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:16, September 5, 2012 (UTC) | The '''only''' point here is that in Divided Loyalties The Doctor has a dream. Stuff happens in that dream, as stuff happens in everyone's dreams. However people here are using stuff '''that only happens in the dream and NOWHERE else''' for biographical details and information in articles. As an example, the term "Deca" is only ever used in a '''dream'''. [[The Rani]] being referred to as "Ushas" only ever happens in the dream. Magnus being identified as [[The War Chief]] only ever occurs in the dream. Thus, this is ''not'' about whether Divided Loyalties is canon. I made that clear. It is about the idea that something someone ''dreams'' can be used for biographical details/background history/story information. If something is used elsewhere(eg [[The Master]] was also called "Koschei" in [[The Dark Path]]) then that is ok. But any names, revelations, details etc. that only occur within the dream are clearly not acceptable for biographical detail. Again, not Divided Loyalties as a whole, '''only''' the dream sequence within Divided Loyalties. If anything within the dream isn't confirmed elsewhere, then '''that''' is not canon. To give a real world analogy, you could have a dream where you're President of the USA. If someone writes a biography of you, they wouldn't include that you were President of the USA, because that's just something you dreamed, not something that actually happened. So any references that can only be "verified" '''within the dream''' need to go. [[Special:Contributions/41.133.0.68|41.133.0.68]]<sup>[[User talk:41.133.0.68#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:16, September 5, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::Again, we don't determine canonicity on this wiki. ''Divided Loyalties'' is a valid source, and as such, all of it is acceptable fodder for our in-universe articles. Yes, the narrative contains a dream state. Anything which happens within that dream '''must be characterised ''as'' a dream''' on this wiki. But I'm not as quick to completely delete that information as you are. I think it should be de-emphasised and firmly characterised as coming from a dream. But that's not the same as deleting it outright. | ::Again, we don't determine canonicity on this wiki. ''Divided Loyalties'' is a valid source, and as such, all of it is acceptable fodder for our in-universe articles. Yes, the narrative contains a dream state. Anything which happens within that dream '''must be characterised ''as'' a dream''' on this wiki. But I'm not as quick to completely delete that information as you are. I think it should be de-emphasised and firmly characterised as coming from a dream. But that's not the same as deleting it outright. | ||
