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We can all agree that there is a line it just doesn't make sense to cross; which (ignoring [[Dr. Who (Dr. Who and the Daleks)]], [[Mr Smith]], [[Grandfather Paradox]], and probably a few more examples I can't think of) ''I'' would put between "fictional" people and "real" people. My line runs between [[Professor X]] and [[Paterson (Survival)]]. The moment... uh, I dunno... [[Thebes Publishing|Thebes]] publishes a novel all about [[Erimem]] & company going back and solving a murder with the real Miss Marple, I'm all for moving this page to [[Jane Marple]]. But as it stands as a page about a concept rather than a person, I really think [[Miss Marple]] is more suited. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 01:44, November 8, 2017 (UTC) | We can all agree that there is a line it just doesn't make sense to cross; which (ignoring [[Dr. Who (Dr. Who and the Daleks)]], [[Mr Smith]], [[Grandfather Paradox]], and probably a few more examples I can't think of) ''I'' would put between "fictional" people and "real" people. My line runs between [[Professor X]] and [[Paterson (Survival)]]. The moment... uh, I dunno... [[Thebes Publishing|Thebes]] publishes a novel all about [[Erimem]] & company going back and solving a murder with the real Miss Marple, I'm all for moving this page to [[Jane Marple]]. But as it stands as a page about a concept rather than a person, I really think [[Miss Marple]] is more suited. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 01:44, November 8, 2017 (UTC) | ||
: On the one hand, I don't want to wade into this discussion and start all over. On the other hand, it seems impolite not to answer at all. So generally, this is my last post here. If you put back the rename tag back, you might well find an admin to eventually rename it back. I'm not gonna fight this: there are almost 300 fresh renames, and I would dearly love to make renames into what they're supposed to be: initiating a discussion leading to a decision rather than gathering dust. I feel like many editors (based on the delays I guess) treat a change from speedy rename to rename as the final failure of the rename proposition. But it isn't. It shouldn't be. Just like speedy renames should be things that can be renamed immediately and require almost no waiting time. So I'm not gonna rename the same thing twice if I can help it (either direction that is). | |||
: But in response to your examples, I view them differently. These are all cases when Mr, Dr, Grandfather etc. cannot be viewed as honourifics. We do not believe that Who is the last name, so Dr is not a title. Computers don't have last names (and Mr Smith does not seem overly masculine other than voicewise), so Mr Smith is not an honourific-last name but a nickname (or pet name). I know less about Faction Paradox, but I never thought Paradox to be a last name. I thought this is closer to "Father Frost" (though I'm less sure about [[Grandfather Halfling]]). While {{w|Malcolm X|X is known to be used as a last name}}, it is not naturally one, so again Professor X sounds like a nickname. But anyways, the page ''[[Professor X]]'' is about the television series, not its protagonist, and we certainly don't strip honourifics from series names. In summary, all the cases I changed are the cases of genuine honourifics followed by a last name. The discussion at [[Talk:Nemo]] that reached the same consensus as I implemented in other cases was trying to ascertain exactly this: Nemo being a weird Latin construction, was it really used as a last name, i.e., separately from "Captain"? Since it was, the rename was agreed upon. | |||
: I have to say that the idea of a page about the concept is an interesting one. But there are references that do not fully conform to that. [[Amy Pond]] [[Ripper's Curse (comic story)|uses an alias]] "Miss Marple" once, so it's clearly a person. (Why couldn't she just introduce herself as Jane Marple??? Beats me.) [[Bliss (The Starship of Theseus)|People who are named after concepts]] are often [[One Life (audio story)|ridiculed for this]], being told those are not real names. I hope that [[Miss Marple (series)]] is sufficient to collect links to the concept (in the inclusive sense). | |||
: Once again, I'm done with this page. This was a courtesy reply rather than a prompt to begin a discussion. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:17, November 12, 2017 (UTC) | |||
