Pre-universe: Difference between revisions

From Tardis Wiki, the free Doctor Who reference
516 bytes removed ,  15 December 2017
no edit summary
(Misapplied source.)
Tag: sourceedit
No edit summary
Line 1: Line 1:
Before the [[Event One|Big Bang]], there existed the '''pre-universe'''. Accounts differ as to what it actually was.
{{conjecture}}
The '''pre-universe'''{{source}}, also called the '''Dvapara Yuga''', was the reality that preceded or was replaced by the start of the universe.


According to most accounts, there was another [[universe]] before the Big Bang which operated on different laws of physics. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'', [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Persuasion (audio story)|Persuasion]]'', [[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millenial Rites]]'') However, the [[Carnival Queen]] indicated that this was not a separate universe, but the state of reality before the [[Time Lord]]s created the [[Web of Time]] and, by [[the Doctor]]'s time, those who knew about the pre-universe logically assumed that it was the previous universe. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'')
== Description ==
 
The most common understanding was that the current universe, which began in the [[Big Bang]], was preceded by another [[universe]] with different laws of physics. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'', [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Persuasion (audio story)|Persuasion]]'', [[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') The [[Sixth Doctor]] learned about the pre-universe from [[the Matrix]] during his time as [[Lord President]], and he described it to [[Anne Travers]]:
Another source indicated that the only thing that existed before the Big Bang was a particle of [[space]] and [[time]] smaller than an [[atom]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Nothing O'Clock (short story)|Nothing O'Clock]]'')
{{quote|Before this universe was created, there was another one. A totally different universe, with alien physical laws. The heavens were green, and the stars looked like... giant doughnuts, to be brutally frank. Very, very different. And, as in this universe, there were people who discovered the deeper mysteries of time and space.|Sixth Doctor|Millennial Rites (novel)}}
 
[[The Beast (The Impossible Planet)|The Beast]], who purportedly came from this time, stated his origins were from the time before N-Space "came into existence" and before "the cataclysm". The Tenth Doctor disbelieved this, saying, "No life could have existed back then." ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'')
 
When [[N-Space]] was created, many powerful species fled into other realities and over time many found their way back into [[N-Space]]. Some (such as the [[Great Old One]]s) still followed the rules of the pre-universe, giving them [[god]]-like powers. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', ''[[Millennial Rites]]'', ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'')


[[River Song]] noted a theory for the [[SporeShip]]s' origin, that they were leftover weapons from the war that wiped out the previous universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs (audio story)|Signs]]'')
However, the [[Seventh Doctor]] learned from the [[Carnival Queen]] that the [[Time Lord]]s had misinterpreted their knowledge of the pre-universe and, rather than being an actual separate [[universe]], the pre-universe was the state of reality before the Time Lords created the [[Web of Time]] ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'') during the [[anchoring of the thread]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Book of the War (novel)|The Book of the War]]'')


== Characteristics ==
Before the Time Lords created the Web of Time, the universe obeyed no laws of physics, and [[magic]] was a powerful force. There existed cities with buildings carved from mile-high arches of [[ivory]], with streets made of [[cobweb]] and gardens tended by stone men. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'') Many [[human]]s had semi-[[god|divine]] powers: for instance, [[Arjuna]] had one thousand arms and was ardently skilled at compressing time, while [[Nakula and Sahadeva]] led armies of imaginary [[hybrid]] animals made of broken time. The [[Great Houses]]' plan for ending the Dvapara Yuga involved starting the [[Kurukshetra war]] between the [[Pandava]]s and [[Kaurava]]s. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Dharmayuddha (short story)|Dharmayuddha]]'') [[River Song]] noted a theory that the [[SporeShip]]s were leftover weapons from the war that wiped out the previous universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Signs (audio story)|Signs]]'')
The physics of the pre-universe were different from the physics of [[N-Space]]. [[Magic]] was a powerful force here, and science did not exist. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'')
 
The Doctor described the pre-universe to [[Anne Travers]].
{{quote|Before this universe was created, there was another one. A totally different universe, with alien physical laws. The heavens were green, and the stars looked like... giant doughnuts, to be brutally frank. Very, very different. And, as in this universe, there were people who discovered the deeper mysteries of time and space.|Sixth Doctor|Millennial Rites (novel)}}


Because of new laws like the [[speed of light]] or the charge of the [[electron]], the Great Old Ones found they had great power and became terrible gods. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'') The [[Shepherd and Shepherdess]] escaped the "extinction of their universe" and arrived in N-space where their appearance became transparent. They moved without touching the ground and their hair and nails grew longer because they were dying in the new reality. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Persuasion (audio story)|Persuasion]]'')
One source indicated that the only thing that existed before the Big Bang was a particle of [[space]] and [[time]] smaller than an [[atom]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Nothing O'Clock (short story)|Nothing O'Clock]]'')


== Natives ==
== Natives ==
Amongst the races that claimed to be older than the universe itself were the [[Great Old One]]s such as [[Azathoth]], [[Yog-Sothoth]] and [[Shub-Niggurath]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', ''[[Millennial Rites]]'') On many planets, these beings became part of the legends and religions. The Great Old Ones were worshipped by the first intelligent species to evolve on Earth - the [[Silurian]]s. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'')  
The [[Tenth Doctor]] said that no life could have existed before the universe came into existence. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'') However, many races claimed to be older than the universe itself. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'', ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'', [[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'', [[AUDIO]]: ''[[Persuasion (audio story)|Persuasion]]'')


[[The Beast (The Impossible Planet)|The Beast]] claimed to have originated before the universe. He said was imprisoned by the [[Disciples of the Light]] deep beneath [[Krop Tor]] "before time... before time and light and space and matter, before the cataclysm, before this universe came into existence", likely placing both in that time. The Tenth Doctor believed that "no life could have existed back then." The Doctor wondered if the idea for all [[Satan]]-like figures in the mythology of "a million worlds", including that of [[Earth]], [[Draconia]], [[Vel Consadine]], [[Dæmos]], and the [[Kaled]]s' God of War, had maybe bled through as a thought in the back of "every sentient mind". The Beast himself claimed to be the Devil of "all" religions, which included the [[Arkiphets]], [[Quoldonity]], [[Christianity]], [[Pash Pash]], [[New Judaism]], [[San Klah]] and the [[Church of the Tin Vagabond]]. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit]]'')
When the new universe was created, many powerful species from the pre-universe fled into other realities but over time found their way back. Some, like the [[Great Old One]]s, still followed the rules of the pre-universe, giving them [[god]]-like powers. On many planets, these beings became part of the legends and religions. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') [[The Beast (The Impossible Planet)|The Beast]] was trapped under [[Krop Tor]] by the [[Disciples of Light]] before light, time, space, or matter existed, and he remained there during and after the creation of the universe. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Impossible Planet (TV story)|The Impossible Planet]]'') He claimed to have inspired the Devil of all religions, including the [[Arkiphets]], [[Quoldonity]], [[Christianity]], [[Pash Pash]], [[New Judaism]], [[San Klah]], and the [[Church of the Tin Vagabond]]. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Satan Pit (TV story)|The Satan Pit]]'')


The [[Ancient Lights]] were speculated by [[Luke Smith]] to have come from the pre-universe. ([[TV]]: ''[[Secrets of the Stars]]'')
The [[Shepherd and Shepherdess]] escaped the "extinction of their universe" and arrived in [[N-Space]], where they became transparent in appearance. They moved without touching the ground and their hair and nails grew longer because they were dying in the new reality. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Persuasion (audio story)|Persuasion]]'')


[[Syriath]], an entity who could raise the dead, was said by Jack Harkness to have been trapped within the Rift since before time. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The House of the Dead (audio story)|The House of the Dead]]'')
[[Luke Smith]] speculated that the [[Ancient Lights]] came from before the universe. ([[TV]]: ''[[Secrets of the Stars (TV story)|Secrets of the Stars]]'')


[[The Dark (Fear of the Dark)|The Dark]] was said to have been formed from the remains of the void before the [[Big Bang]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Fear of the Dark]]'')
[[Jack Harkness]] said that the [[Syriath]] had been trapped within [[Cardiff Space-Time Rift|the Rift]] since before time. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The House of the Dead (audio story)|The House of the Dead]]'')


[[Entropy Siren]]s were said to have existed before the universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Entropy Composition (audio story)|The Entropy Composition]]'')
[[Entropy Siren]]s were said to have existed before the universe. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Entropy Composition (audio story)|The Entropy Composition]]'')


== Knowledge ==
[[The Dark (Fear of the Dark)|The Dark]] was said to have been formed from the remains of the void before the [[Big Bang]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Fear of the Dark (novel)|Fear of the Dark]]'')
Knowledge of the pre-universe was a closely guarded secret. The [[Sixth Doctor]] only knew about it as a result of his connection to [[the Matrix]] during his time as [[Lord President]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Millennial Rites (novel)|Millennial Rites]]'') During his encounter with the [[Carnival Queen]], the [[Seventh Doctor]] learned that the Time Lords had misinterpreted their knowledge of the pre-universe. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Christmas on a Rational Planet (novel)|Christmas on a Rational Planet]]'')
[[Category:Universes and dimensions]]
[[Category:Universes and dimensions]]
[[Category:History]]
[[Category:History]]
[[Category:Universe]]
[[Category:Universe]]
emailconfirmed, Administrators
15,041

edits

Cookies help us deliver our services. By using our services, you agree to our use of cookies.