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{{archive|Panopticon archives}}[[category:design changers]]


I think there is a lot of potential for this Wiki: But there needs to be a wider range of InfoBox’s. I am looking into making them soon, anyone help… [[User:joker1138]]
I think there is a lot of potential for this Wiki: But there needs to be a wider range of InfoBox’s. I am looking into making them soon, anyone help… [[User:joker1138]]
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:Alright, I think the main sort of infobox you're looking for is a race/species infobox, so here goes:
:Alright, I think the main sort of infobox you're looking for is a race/species infobox, so here goes:
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{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:250px; background:#f1f4fa; border-collapse:collapse; border:1px solid #999; font-size:smaller; line-height:1.5; "
| bgcolor=white align="center" colspan="2" | {{{image}}}
| bgcolor=white align="center" colspan="2" | {{{image}}}
|- valign="top"
|- valign="top"
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| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Appearances:'''
| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Appearances:'''
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{appearances}}}
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{appearances}}}
|- valign="top"
|}
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:How about it? {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 18:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
:How about it? {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 18:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Home Planet:'''
| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Home Planet:'''
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{home planet}}}
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{home planet}}}
|- valign="top"
 
|- valign="top"
|- valign="top"
| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Appearances:'''
| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Appearances:'''
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| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Actor:'''
| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Actor:'''
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{actor}}}
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{actor}}}
|- valign="top"
|}
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{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:250px; background:#00C330; border-collapse:collapse; border:1px solid #999; font-size:smaller; line-height:1.5; "
{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:250px; background:#00C330; border-collapse:collapse; border:1px solid #999; font-size:smaller; line-height:1.5; "
| bgcolor=white align="center" colspan="2" | {{{image}}}
| bgcolor=white align="center" colspan="2" | {{{image}}}
|- valign="top"
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| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Appearances:'''
| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Appearances:'''
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{appearances}}}
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{appearances}}}
|- valign="top"
|}
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:Alright, I've had a go at fixing this species one (which Joker made originally), so tell me what you think. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 19:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
:Alright, I've had a go at fixing this species one (which Joker made originally), so tell me what you think. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 19:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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::::::yes, but it would look pretty silly if you put the Doctor's name under affiliations. because half the species in the Whoniverse has either fought him or gotten helped by him. --[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 20:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::yes, but it would look pretty silly if you put the Doctor's name under affiliations. because half the species in the Whoniverse has either fought him or gotten helped by him. --[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 20:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


:::::::Hey, I'm just saying that what most of the species have in common. [[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 20:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)  
:::::::Hey, I'm just saying that what most of the species have in common. [[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 20:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


::::::::Yes, apart from the TW and SJA species. But having only three things in affiliation, and all species having one, seems a bit stupid. So, no, not affiliation in that sense. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 20:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, apart from the TW and SJA species. But having only three things in affiliation, and all species having one, seems a bit stupid. So, no, not affiliation in that sense. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 20:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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:::::::::I'm not sure how you mean that some look better at a smaller width. Do you mean because of the image length? I do think it's important to be consistant for the wiki to have a cohesive, uniform look. --[[User:Mantrid|Mantrid]] 14:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm not sure how you mean that some look better at a smaller width. Do you mean because of the image length? I do think it's important to be consistant for the wiki to have a cohesive, uniform look. --[[User:Mantrid|Mantrid]] 14:24, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


::::::::::Yes, I suppose, but there are probably more things that need to be doing first that are more important than pic sizes in infoboxes. Some articles, for example, use the ([[DW]]: ''Episode link here'') style of citation, some use the ("Episode like here") style of citation, and some use the style, first found in some of the earlier pages, which cites the episode within the main text. If you get what I mean. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 14:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, I suppose, but there are probably more things that need to be doing first that are more important than pic sizes in infoboxes. Some articles, for example, use the ([[TV]]: ''Episode link here'') style of citation, some use the ("Episode like here") style of citation, and some use the style, first found in some of the earlier pages, which cites the episode within the main text. If you get what I mean. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 14:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


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[[User:Joker1138]]
[[User:Joker1138]]
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{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" style="float:right; margin:0 0 .5em 1em; width:250px; background:silver; border-collapse:collapse; border:1px solid #999; font-size:smaller; line-height:1.5; "
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==Individual==
==Individual==
The Individual, close to the one above and ''Companions and the Doctor get a special deal because of their importance in DOCTOR WHO and the fact that we generally know more about them''. good idea. the one above can be that and this is the normal one, sound ok [[User:joker1138]]
The Individual, close to the one above and ''Companions and the Doctor get a special deal because of their importance in DOCTOR WHO and the fact that we generally know more about them''. good idea. the one above can be that and this is the normal one, sound ok [[User:joker1138]]


:::not to beat this horse, to death, but as mentioned above, companions have their own kind of infobox already. --[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 20:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
:::not to beat this horse, to death, but as mentioned above, companions have their own kind of infobox already. --[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 20:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


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| bgcolor=white align="center" colspan="2" | {{{image}}}
| bgcolor=white align="center" colspan="2" | {{{image}}}
|- valign="top"
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| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Actor:'''
| style="text-align: left; border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | '''Actor:'''
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{actor}}}
| style="border-bottom:1px solid gray; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{{actor}}}
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===New fields for Species===
===New fields for Species===


:::okay, so three new fields:  
:::okay, so three new fields:


:::*Also known as
:::*Also known as
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===New fields for Individuals===
===New fields for Individuals===
:::*Also known as  
:::*Also known as
:::*Referenced in  
:::*Referenced in
--[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 21:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
--[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 21:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


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:**Leader
:**Leader
:**Appearances
:**Appearances
:**Mentions
:*Dalek variant
:**Image
:**Appearances
:**Mentions
:*Reality/dimension
:**Image
:**Type
:**Adjacent to (example: E-Space. adjacent to N-Space)
:**Inhabitants
:**Appearances
:**Mentions
:*Alternative timeline
:**Divergence point (i.e. UK goes fascist)
:**Still exists? (Yes, No, Unknown)
:**Appearances
:**Mentions
:--[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 06:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:--[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 06:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
::Woah, erm... yeah, they should just about do... I think... {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 08:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
::: Um...perhaps an infobox for writers?
::: Used for both novel authors and for writers of the series...--[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 14:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
::I think we only need basic ones, like for example Reality/dimensions only need one style of infobox, if we divide them up into more boxs this could go on forever. [[User:Joker1138|<span style="color:darkblue;">'''Joker1138'''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Joker1138|<span style="color:black;">The Hub</span>]])</sup>
:::Yeah, perhaps some of these can be merged, for example instead of UNIT member and Torchwood member we can have member of organisation with variable organisations, and instead of seperate infoboxes for timeline and reality we can have just the one, and just a single infobox for corporation, religious order, and government. And do any alternate timelines still exist? I didn't think timelimes were like that, and either continued to the modern day or were erased. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 15:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::it may seem complicated, but I want to think in the long term here. we know we will have to cover a lot of ground. easy to read infoboxes make the universe easier to understand. for instance, okay, what does this company produce? what does this sect worship? what kind of government does this empire have? just read the infobox without even having to trawl through the text for the answer. think of it as a cheat-sheet and an aid to writing entries more quickly.
:::::what about people who belonged to both UNIT and Torchwood at various stages of their careers? we know of at least one (Tosh), possibly two (Tosh and Owen, assuming he has a real, versus fake UNIT ID card).
:::::alternative timelines come in different flavors. in some cases, they get annulled ([[Day of the Daleks]]), in other they replace the old timeline ([[Father's Day (TV story)|Father's Day]], [[Doctor Who and the Pirates]]) in others two co-exist ([[Inferno (TV story)|Inferno]]) or the writer leaves it ambiguous or we don't really know. (wish I could think of an example but can't right now)
:::::it does clarify points tremendously to have an easy to read infobox that saves how different timelines differ where you can easily sort out the divergence points, some of these go resolved and "no longer exist", i.e. the timeline from "[[Day of the Daleks]]".
::::::as an example of why we need these infoboxes, it helps to read at a glance that in one timeline, the [[Third Doctor]] died on the planet Dust and never regenerated (''[[Interference - Book One]]'')
::::::on another, he regenerated into the [[Fourth Doctor]] on Dust (''[[Interference - Book Two]]'')
::::::in another, he regenerated into the Fourth Doctor on [[Earth]], as in "[[Planet of the Spiders]]"
:::::other realities operate under different rules. you can visit them and strange critters come from them. --[[User:***Stardizzy***|***Stardizzy***]] 15:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::Okay, I can see your point of keeping the organisations seperate, but:
::::::*Isn't the Inferno timeline actually an alternate reality?
::::::*Alright, so the Father's Day timeline can still be stated to exist, but most of them don't.
::::::*The fact that some people belonged to more than one organisation is a good reason to actually keep the member of organisation infobox just one infobox, as two infoboxes for one person is just excessive. Instead, for example, an {{{organisation}}} part would have something similar to <nowiki>"organisation = <ul><li>[[Torchwood Insititute]]</li><li>[[United Nations Intelligence Taskforce|UNIT]]</li></ul>"</nowiki> in the code.
::::::{{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 15:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::The point of ''articles'' is to inform people, not the infoboxes. You don't need a lot of detail or else they become needlessly overcomplicated and clogged up with text. We also don't need to have over-specialized infoboxes. I was just reading ''[[Lucifer Rising]]'' where they talk about the Adjudicator Guild. It starts out as a government organization and turns into a religious order. What infobox would it use? A generic organization infobox would be much better.[[User:Azes13|Azes13]] 20:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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