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:: Section for non-DWU spin-offs is at the bottom and without a redlink, which presupposes that a page needs to be created. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:41, February 19, 2019 (UTC) | :: Section for non-DWU spin-offs is at the bottom and without a redlink, which presupposes that a page needs to be created. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:41, February 19, 2019 (UTC) | ||
== Validity == | |||
Yes, irony indeed. Once again, sadly, allowing an editor to open an inclusion debate based basically on appearance lists, say, on [[w:c:marvel]] would open the door to dozens of them, which does not improve the chances of any one of them being valid but rather the opposite since the quality of these debates cannot be high. It is much preferable to concentrate on one debate at a time, to fully research it, provide all information and collect opinions of interested editors. That still takes time, months in the best case scenario. But having several debates on obscure, hard to find stories is a recipe for having them open for years without any significant input. | |||
As for validity, the situation is roughly as follows. Stories with the Doctor, stories labelled "from the worlds of Doctor Who" are usually considered valid unless someone questions them. (I say "usually" because there is also ''[[Festive Thirteenth Doctor Yule Log (webcast)|Festive Thirteenth Doctor Yule Log]]'', eventually ruled invalid.) Some spin-offs of DWU characters indeed received validity without a hitch, including multiple [[Bernice Summerfield]] spin-offs. | |||
But the more obscure a character, the lesser its footprint in the DWU, the less expectation there is that its spin-off would somehow be in the DWU. For [[Vienna Salvatori]]- and ''[[Graceless (audio series)|Graceless]]''-focused spin-offs, the question had to be asked. As they were produced by a [[Big Finish Productions|rather DW-centric company]], they still had common expectations to be in the DWU. After all their stories sell because Doctor Who fans buy them. One of these series did not make it but still has a devout following who hope one day to make it valid. And the reason it did not make it was because it was marketed differently, based on ''Star Trek'' fame of [[Chase Masterson]] rather than Doctor Who fan base. | |||
Things get even less hopeful when it is a spin-off based on an obscure character produced by a company that is only tangentially connected to DW, like [[Marvel UK]]. There is absolutely no reason to expect them to want to, care about or even think about stories in terms of them being DWU or non-DWU. Truth be told, our whole wiki is small potatoes for them. | |||
In doing research on ''The Body in Question'' I found a whole podcast series devoted to ''Doctor Who'' comics, called ''[https://doctorwhopaneltopanel.podomatic.com Doctor Who: Panel to Panel]''. While I cannot yet vouch for its quality, one of the episodes contains an interview with [[Simon Furman]], where he describes how ''[[The Crossroads of Time (comic story)|The Crossroads of Time]]'' came to be. He thinks purely in terms of copyright properties and available characters. He needed a vehicle to move [[Death's Head]] from the ''Transformer'' series to ''Dragon's Claws'', which was the first original US-type comic series created by Marvel UK. He thought that the Doctor fit the bill. And the Doctor was available at the time. Lo and behold, they make a transitional story. Oh, and they need to shrink Death's Head from Transformer to human size. So they find some [[Tissue Compression Eliminator|vaguely Doctor-related gimmick]] that could do it. That's it. Furman called it a "cynical" approach. In the whole interview, I did not spot any in-universe considerations, continuity concerns. It's business, and nothing personal. And the boundaries are drawn by comic series, not by fictional realities. Death's Head was moving from Transformers to its own series with several "guest appearances", to quote Simon Furman. Never mind that he's visited Earth in 1987 and 1989, meeting Bumblebee in the former and Fantastic Four in the latter case. Who cares that about compatibility when they are great characters to toy with while Marvel UK had the licence? | |||
But even this attitude aside, the only natural assumption to make about a Marvel UK story is that it was intended to be in Marvel (UK) multiverse. It is completely unreasonable to assume that the Marvelous juggernaut stopped to wish itself a Doctorless Doctor Who story. As a consequence, a Doctorless Marvel UK comic story should always be considered invalid until proved otherwise. Sometimes, an exception is made for a standalone story dispatching a character who was introduced in an imperviously DWU story, like ''[[Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling! (comic story)|Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling!]]''. But a Marvel UK ''spin-off'' is almost by definition non-DWU, as they have no commercial incentive to develop intellectual property of another company, like BBC. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:40, February 20, 2019 (UTC) | |||
