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In the meantime, the alien activity around the Coal Hill area has attracted the attention of the military. Group Captain Gilmore and his unit engage a Renegade Dalek at the junkyard. The Dalek proves to be more than a match for the military squad, until the Doctor destroys it with a timed explosive. The Doctor tries to convince Gilmore and his scientific advisor, Professor Rachel Jensen, that firstly, the Daleks are extra-terresrial, secondly the human weapons are no match for Dalek Firepower, therefore best thing they can do is just make sure that all ground and air forces stay out of the crossfire, whilst the two factions blow each other to bits. The Doctor, however, is playing a deeper game — he wants the "right" Daleks to take possession of the Hand. He and Ace investigate Coal Hill School in which, the Imperial Daleks have set up an outpost at the Coal Hill School. The Renegade Faction however, have their base in a warehouse where a Battle Computer is and in which Mr. Ratcliffe works for the Renegades and leads a group called 'The Association'. However, a secret agent of The Associaton, [[Mike Smith]] is found and interrogated by the Imperial Dalek Controlled [[H. Parson|Headmaster]] of Coal Hill School, but Mike Smith is not without his reflexes and subdues the Headmaster forcing the Imperials to 'terminate agent'. | In the meantime, the alien activity around the Coal Hill area has attracted the attention of the military. Group Captain Gilmore and his unit engage a Renegade Dalek at the junkyard. The Dalek proves to be more than a match for the military squad, until the Doctor destroys it with a timed explosive. The Doctor tries to convince Gilmore and his scientific advisor, Professor Rachel Jensen, that firstly, the Daleks are extra-terresrial, secondly the human weapons are no match for Dalek Firepower, therefore best thing they can do is just make sure that all ground and air forces stay out of the crossfire, whilst the two factions blow each other to bits. The Doctor, however, is playing a deeper game — he wants the "right" Daleks to take possession of the Hand. He and Ace investigate Coal Hill School in which, the Imperial Daleks have set up an outpost at the Coal Hill School. The Renegade Faction however, have their base in a warehouse where a Battle Computer is and in which Mr. Ratcliffe works for the Renegades and leads a group called 'The Association'. However, a secret agent of The Associaton, [[Mike Smith]] is found and interrogated by the Imperial Dalek Controlled [[H. Parson|Headmaster]] of Coal Hill School, but Mike Smith is not without his reflexes and subdues the Headmaster forcing the Imperials to 'terminate agent'. | ||
Whilst the Imperial Daleks are watching from their Mothership, the Renegade Daleks dispatch Ratcliffe and his men to retrieve the Hand Of Omega after the Doctor places it into a cemetry. Although they manage to haul it out of the Cemetery, the Imperial Daleks aboard the Mothership, detect this and a Dalek calls the Emperor Dalek to assess the situation. After a skirmish with the Imperial Daleks during an attempt to retrieve the radio, Ace does some 'Dalek Hunting' with the Doctor, they come across the Renegade Daleks' HQ. The Doctor shows Ace, the Battle Computer and how if the Daleks are over-reliant on rationality on logic, the solution would be to get a young imaginative child and enslave them to the battle computer. | Whilst the Imperial Daleks are watching from their Mothership, the Renegade Daleks dispatch Ratcliffe and his men to retrieve the Hand Of Omega after the Doctor places it into a cemetry. Although they manage to haul it out of the Cemetery, the Imperial Daleks aboard the Mothership, detect this and a Dalek calls the Emperor Dalek to assess the situation. After a skirmish with the Imperial Daleks during an attempt to retrieve the radio, Ace does some 'Dalek Hunting' with the Doctor, they come across the Renegade Daleks' HQ. The Doctor shows Ace, the Battle Computer and how if the Daleks are over-reliant on rationality on logic, the solution would be to get a young imaginative child and enslave them to the battle computer. The Doctor tinkers with the Time Controller, in an effort to 'manipulate the enemy'. His plan works but with bad consequences; The Renegade Daleks return to the base and find out that the Time Controller has been disabled. The Doctor and Ace floor it and are subsequently pursued by Renegade Daleks. They meet up with the '''ICMG '''and tell them the situation, only to find that the Rengades are still on their tail. Three soldiers try to fend off the Renegade attackers only to be obliterated, the Imperial Daleks's Assault Shuttle lands on Earth as part of a mission to retrieve the Hand Of Omega resulting in the Supreme Dalek via. the Battle Computer ordering the Renegade Daleks to withdraw and defend the Hand Of Omega from the enemy. After Imperial Daleks are subsequently sent out to retrieve The Hand Of Omega, the Doctor, Ace and ICMG invade the Imperial Dalek Shuttle (The Doctor first) then find out that the Imperials have control of the planet Skaro. The Doctor disables the massive ground defence and gets out of the Assault Shuttle with the team. | ||
As Renegade and Imperial Daleks patrol the streets, a battle rages out in London. A pair of Renegade Daleks locate an advancing Imperial Dalek Squad, they open fire on each other, each one missing until a Renegade gets the first shot in, following by the Renegades then taking a few Imperial Daleks out as they are forced to retreat from the slaughter. At first, the Renegades are winning until the Special Weapons Daleks is brought in and blows the Renegade patrols to smithereens. | As Renegade and Imperial Daleks patrol the streets, a battle rages out in London. A pair of Renegade Daleks locate an advancing Imperial Dalek Squad, they open fire on each other, each one missing until a Renegade gets the first shot in, following by the Renegades then taking a few Imperial Daleks out as they are forced to retreat from the slaughter. At first, the Renegades are winning until the Special Weapons Daleks is brought in and blows the Renegade patrols to smithereens. | ||
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*[[Seventh Doctor|The Doctor]] - [[Sylvester McCoy]] | *[[Seventh Doctor|The Doctor]] - [[Sylvester McCoy]] | ||
*[[Ace]] - [[Sophie Aldred]] | *[[Ace]] - [[Sophie Aldred]] | ||
*[[Davros]] - [[Terry Molloy]] | *[[Davros]] - [[Terry Molloy]] | ||
*[[Ian Gilmore|Group Captain Gilmore]] - [[Simon Williams]] | *[[Ian Gilmore|Group Captain Gilmore]] - [[Simon Williams]] | ||
*Professor [[Rachel Jensen]] - [[Pamela Salem]] | *Professor [[Rachel Jensen]] - [[Pamela Salem]] | ||
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*At one point, when asked to sign a document, Sylvester McCoy's hand movements clearly indicate that the Doctor signs it using a question mark.[[Image:Drcallingcard.jpg|thumb|The Doctor's calling card]] | *At one point, when asked to sign a document, Sylvester McCoy's hand movements clearly indicate that the Doctor signs it using a question mark.[[Image:Drcallingcard.jpg|thumb|The Doctor's calling card]] | ||
*This Dalek encounter becomes known as the [[Shoreditch Incident]]. | *This Dalek encounter becomes known as the [[Shoreditch Incident]]. | ||
*Dr. Jensen makes reference to "Bernard". This is a reference to the character of [[Bernard Quatermass]]. | *Dr. Jensen makes reference to "Bernard". This is a reference to the character of [[Bernard Quatermass]]. | ||
===[[:Category:Daleks|Daleks]]=== | ===[[:Category:Daleks|Daleks]]=== | ||
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* This is the first instance of a Dalek levitating up a staircase on screen. However, [[Davros]] appears to have the power of flight in ''[[Revelation of the Daleks]]'', achieved with the same [[special effect]]. In ''[[The Chase]]'' a Dalek is seen to elevate from sand and it is implied they can move between the decks of the ''Marie Celeste''. | * This is the first instance of a Dalek levitating up a staircase on screen. However, [[Davros]] appears to have the power of flight in ''[[Revelation of the Daleks]]'', achieved with the same [[special effect]]. In ''[[The Chase]]'' a Dalek is seen to elevate from sand and it is implied they can move between the decks of the ''Marie Celeste''. | ||
* This was the first story to be broadcast in NICAM stereo sound. | * This was the first story to be broadcast in NICAM stereo sound. | ||
* This is the first instance of a "skeleton effect" caused by Dalek weapons. | * This is the first instance of a "skeleton effect" caused by Dalek weapons. This effect would be used in every subsequent Dalek story. | ||
* The pre-credits sequence includes clips from famous speeches including those of JFK, Charles de Gaulle, the Duke of Edinburgh and Martin Luther King. | * The pre-credits sequence includes clips from famous speeches including those of JFK, Charles de Gaulle, the Duke of Edinburgh and Martin Luther King. | ||
* This is the first story showing the inside of a Dalek (an Imperial one) in a scene where it's transmatting. | * This is the first story showing the inside of a Dalek (an Imperial one) in a scene where it's transmatting. | ||
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===Myths=== | ===Myths=== | ||
* In part 4, when Ace is attacked by [[Judith Winters|The Girl]] at Mike's house, she hides behind the sofa. (''If anybody has evidence that this was a deliberate reference to the popular cliché, please share it with us.'') | * In part 4, when Ace is attacked by [[Judith Winters|The Girl]] at Mike's house, she hides behind the sofa. (''If anybody has evidence that this was a deliberate reference to the popular cliché, please share it with us.'') | ||
* (Formerly appearing in many places on this very page) There is nothing to indicate that the episode takes place in November 1963. ''At one point a calendar indicating this very thing is clearly seen. However, it's true that the weather and the timing of nightfall in part three don't jibe with this.'' | * (Formerly appearing in many places on this very page) There is nothing to indicate that the episode takes place in November 1963. ''At one point a calendar indicating this very thing is clearly seen. However, it's true that the weather and the timing of nightfall in part three don't jibe with this.'' | ||
*The Doctor complimenting on the little girl's wisdom for not talking to strangers could be a possible reference to how the 60s people weren't as worried about stranger danger. On Novemember 23rd 1963 the date this story is supposedly set, a young boy was approached by a stranger (Myra Hindley) where he was then raped and murdered by her boyfriend (Ian Brady). | *The Doctor complimenting on the little girl's wisdom for not talking to strangers could be a possible reference to how the 60s people weren't as worried about stranger danger. On Novemember 23rd 1963 the date this story is supposedly set, a young boy was approached by a stranger (Myra Hindley) where he was then raped and murdered by her boyfriend (Ian Brady). | ||
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===Discontinuity, Plot Holes, Errors=== | ===Discontinuity, Plot Holes, Errors=== | ||
* The gates to the junkyard bear the label "I.M FORMAN", as a nod to the junkyard seen in the first ever episode ([[DW]]: ''[[An Unearthly Child]])'', and as a continuity link. (The Doctor also has knowledge of the geography of the junkyard). The junkyard in Unearthly Child however, is "I.M ''Foreman''" ''This is due to a time blip, as explained in [[PDA]] [[The Algebra of Ice]] and elaborated on in [[EDA]]: ''[[Interference - Book Two]]''. The sign was mispainted with a spelling error. This happens often to real life signs.'' | * The gates to the junkyard bear the label "I.M FORMAN", as a nod to the junkyard seen in the first ever episode ([[DW]]: ''[[An Unearthly Child]])'', and as a continuity link. (The Doctor also has knowledge of the geography of the junkyard). The junkyard in Unearthly Child however, is "I.M ''Foreman''" ''This is due to a time blip, as explained in [[PDA]] [[The Algebra of Ice]] and elaborated on in [[EDA]]: ''[[Interference - Book Two]]''. The sign was mispainted with a spelling error. This happens often to real life signs.'' | ||
* Various details, such as the "French Revolution" book in the science lab, match up with [[The Pilot Episode]] but not with [[An Unearthly Child]]. ''We never see the book leave the school in [[An Unearthly Child]], so its presence (if it is indeed the same book) there is not inconsistent.'' | * Various details, such as the "French Revolution" book in the science lab, match up with [[The Pilot Episode]] but not with [[An Unearthly Child]]. ''We never see the book leave the school in [[An Unearthly Child]], so its presence (if it is indeed the same book) there is not inconsistent.'' | ||
* The Doctor says that the Daleks are dependent on rationality and logic, whereas Daleks are actually driven by xenophobia and race hatred (it seems an ''especially'' odd statement as one of the story's core themes is racial purity). ''The Doctor is most likely referring to their battle strategies, not to their psychology.'' | * The Doctor says that the Daleks are dependent on rationality and logic, whereas Daleks are actually driven by xenophobia and race hatred (it seems an ''especially'' odd statement as one of the story's core themes is racial purity). ''The Doctor is most likely referring to their battle strategies, not to their psychology.'' | ||
* In part 2, during the scene in the undertaker's, [[Ace]]'s baseball bat suddenly switches from the Doctor's left hand to his right. ''([[Sophie Aldred]] points this out on the DVD commentary of this story.)'' | * In part 2, during the scene in the undertaker's, [[Ace]]'s baseball bat suddenly switches from the Doctor's left hand to his right. ''([[Sophie Aldred]] points this out on the DVD commentary of this story.)'' | ||
* It is strongly suggested that the events of this story take place on or about 23 November, 1963, to coincide with the first broadcast of ''Doctor Who'' in real life, yet no reference occurs to the assassination of [[John F. Kennedy]] the day prior, or the subsequent death of Lee Harvey Oswald, both of which would have been dominant topics of conversation even in London. ''Although strongly suggested, it's not definitively stated that this takes place in November 1963; all is known is it takes place soon after the events of ''An Unearthly Child'' which could have taken place at an earlier or later date. The killing of Oswald didn't occur until the 24th, in any event.'' | * It is strongly suggested that the events of this story take place on or about 23 November, 1963, to coincide with the first broadcast of ''Doctor Who'' in real life, yet no reference occurs to the assassination of [[John F. Kennedy]] the day prior, or the subsequent death of Lee Harvey Oswald, both of which would have been dominant topics of conversation even in London. ''Although strongly suggested, it's not definitively stated that this takes place in November 1963; all is known is it takes place soon after the events of ''An Unearthly Child'' which could have taken place at an earlier or later date. The killing of Oswald didn't occur until the 24th, in any event.'' | ||
* Also left unmentioned is the absence of teachers [[Ian Chesterton]] and [[Barbara Wright]] and student [[Susan Foreman]]; if this story takes place within a few days of the events of ''An Unearthly Child'' (as suggested by the presence of the "French Revolution" book), their absence should be noted by the police and the school undertaking investigations and news reports of a missing teenager and her teachers. ''This could all still be occurring "off screen".'' | * Also left unmentioned is the absence of teachers [[Ian Chesterton]] and [[Barbara Wright]] and student [[Susan Foreman]]; if this story takes place within a few days of the events of ''An Unearthly Child'' (as suggested by the presence of the "French Revolution" book), their absence should be noted by the police and the school undertaking investigations and news reports of a missing teenager and her teachers. ''This could all still be occurring "off screen".'' | ||
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* The Doctor proclaiming himself as "President Elect of the High Council" contradicts [[DW]]: ''[[The Five Doctors]]'' in which he was named full president and ''[[The Trial of a Time Lord]]'' in which it was stated that he was deposed. ''He's bluffing'' | * The Doctor proclaiming himself as "President Elect of the High Council" contradicts [[DW]]: ''[[The Five Doctors]]'' in which he was named full president and ''[[The Trial of a Time Lord]]'' in which it was stated that he was deposed. ''He's bluffing'' | ||
* Rachel Jensen uses the name Dalek without having heard it. ''The Doctor shouts at the Dalek in the junkyard yelling among other things "Oi Dalek..." it is possible Jensen heard him along with the other characters.'' | * Rachel Jensen uses the name Dalek without having heard it. ''The Doctor shouts at the Dalek in the junkyard yelling among other things "Oi Dalek..." it is possible Jensen heard him along with the other characters.'' | ||
* If it is 5:15 when the TV is playing then it should be dark. In addition, the Doctor asks the others to lunch, apparently later the same day. | * If it is 5:15 when the TV is playing then it should be dark. In addition, the Doctor asks the others to lunch, apparently later the same day. | ||
* Ace is wearing a patch on her jacket of the Soviet sickle and hammer, and yet no one says anything, despite 1963 being the height of the [[Cold War]]. | * Ace is wearing a patch on her jacket of the Soviet sickle and hammer, and yet no one says anything, despite 1963 being the height of the [[Cold War]]. | ||
*On Earth, the Doctor tells the Supreme Dalek that its home is a trillion miles away. The Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100 quadrillion miles in diameter and over 5 trillion miles thick, and it seems likely from [[DW]]: ''[[The Daleks' Master Plan]]'' (in which the Daleks enlist the aid of civilisations in the Fifth Galaxy in order to invade the [[Sol]] system) that Skaro is not in the Milky Way. Therefore, either the Doctor is wrong, or Skaro is in the Milky Way. ''It is possible that the Doctor is not exactly wrong, but is being poetic - "a trillion miles away", while untrue, flows better than "a hundred quadrillion miles away". If the Doctor is in the business of being economical with the truth, it is possible that his placing of Skaro's destruction 1000 years in the past or future (i.e. around 963 or 2963) is also inaccurate. This would mean that Skaro could still exist by the time of ''The Daleks' Master Plan'' in the year 4000, as well as during any stories set after ''Master Plan''. Of course, things change if you believe the [[Dalek Prime]] in ''[[War of the Daleks]]'' that it was in fact [[Antalin]] which was destroyed in ''Remembrance'', as Antalin could have been destroyed in 2963 (or 963, but that date seems less likely) with Skaro surviving beyond 4000.'' | *On Earth, the Doctor tells the Supreme Dalek that its home is a trillion miles away. The Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100 quadrillion miles in diameter and over 5 trillion miles thick, and it seems likely from [[DW]]: ''[[The Daleks' Master Plan]]'' (in which the Daleks enlist the aid of civilisations in the Fifth Galaxy in order to invade the [[Sol]] system) that Skaro is not in the Milky Way. Therefore, either the Doctor is wrong, or Skaro is in the Milky Way. ''It is possible that the Doctor is not exactly wrong, but is being poetic - "a trillion miles away", while untrue, flows better than "a hundred quadrillion miles away". If the Doctor is in the business of being economical with the truth, it is possible that his placing of Skaro's destruction 1000 years in the past or future (i.e. around 963 or 2963) is also inaccurate. This would mean that Skaro could still exist by the time of ''The Daleks' Master Plan'' in the year 4000, as well as during any stories set after ''Master Plan''. Of course, things change if you believe the [[Dalek Prime]] in ''[[War of the Daleks]]'' that it was in fact [[Antalin]] which was destroyed in ''Remembrance'', as Antalin could have been destroyed in 2963 (or 963, but that date seems less likely) with Skaro surviving beyond 4000.'' | ||
*When the Doctor and Ace are driving the van, they fleetingly pass some 1980's style graffiti in the background, although the programme is set in 1963. | *When the Doctor and Ace are driving the van, they fleetingly pass some 1980's style graffiti in the background, although the programme is set in 1963. | ||
*One of Radcliffe's work-crew is dark-skinned and clearly a member of an ethnic minority status - i.e. just the sort of person you would imagine Radcliffe would not what to employ, given his political views. ''All we know about Radcliffe's views is that, he thought that the UK fought for the wrong cause, nothing about racial views.'' | *One of Radcliffe's work-crew is dark-skinned and clearly a member of an ethnic minority status - i.e. just the sort of person you would imagine Radcliffe would not what to employ, given his political views. ''All we know about Radcliffe's views is that, he thought that the UK fought for the wrong cause, nothing about racial views.'' | ||
*In the Dalek fight on the streets, they keep missing each other? Why don't they re-aim their guns? ''(Since it is Daleks fighting Daleks, they know where each other is likely to fire and have developed some defences against the weaponry of the other side.)'' | *In the Dalek fight on the streets, they keep missing each other? Why don't they re-aim their guns? ''(Since it is Daleks fighting Daleks, they know where each other is likely to fire and have developed some defences against the weaponry of the other side.)'' | ||
*Since when were Daleks so cowardly that they retreated when one Dalek gets killed? | *Since when were Daleks so cowardly that they retreated when one Dalek gets killed? | ||
*Why don't the other group of Daleks follow them instead of waiting in the streets for them to return | *Why don't the other group of Daleks follow them instead of waiting in the streets for them to return | ||
* Why didn't the Imperial Daleks just take the Special Weapons Dalek with them in the first place? ''The novelisation states that the Special Weapons Dalek is only used in extreme situations, presumably the Imperials thought it was an "extreme situation" when they were losing against the renegades. '' | * Why didn't the Imperial Daleks just take the Special Weapons Dalek with them in the first place? ''The novelisation states that the Special Weapons Dalek is only used in extreme situations, presumably the Imperials thought it was an "extreme situation" when they were losing against the renegades. '' | ||
* The Doctor deplores violence, commenting that weapons are 'useless in the end'. Yet he has no compunction about destroying an entire planet, especially considering that [[Skaro]] is not only the Dalek homeworld, but home to the [[Thal]]s as well. ''(He himself does not fire the weapon, the Daleks do. He has simply set it to be used defensively so that if they do indeed fire it, it will essentially backfire and destroy their own homeworld instead of the intended target.) At any rate, it's blatantly false to say he has "no compunction" about this; he spends half the story fretting about it, and explicitly says he's unsure if he did the right thing at the end (also powerfully symbolised by his declining to enter the church).'' | * The Doctor deplores violence, commenting that weapons are 'useless in the end'. Yet he has no compunction about destroying an entire planet, especially considering that [[Skaro]] is not only the Dalek homeworld, but home to the [[Thal]]s as well. ''(He himself does not fire the weapon, the Daleks do. He has simply set it to be used defensively so that if they do indeed fire it, it will essentially backfire and destroy their own homeworld instead of the intended target.) At any rate, it's blatantly false to say he has "no compunction" about this; he spends half the story fretting about it, and explicitly says he's unsure if he did the right thing at the end (also powerfully symbolised by his declining to enter the church).'' | ||
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*[[NA]]: ''[[Lungbarrow]]'' explains the detailed history of the Hand of Omega and how the Doctor obtained it. | *[[NA]]: ''[[Lungbarrow]]'' explains the detailed history of the Hand of Omega and how the Doctor obtained it. | ||
*[[EDA]]: ''[[Interference - Book Two]]'' explains the some of history behind IM Forman's junkyard. | *[[EDA]]: ''[[Interference - Book Two]]'' explains the some of history behind IM Forman's junkyard. | ||
*This is the first time a Dalek levitates up some stairs, it is not seen again until [[DW]]: ''[[Dalek (TV story)|Dalek]]''. | *This is the first time a Dalek levitates up some stairs, it is not seen again until [[DW]]: ''[[Dalek (TV story)|Dalek]]''. | ||
*Daleks were previously seen floating in [[DW]]: ''[[Revelation of the Daleks]]'' (although the camera angle didn't show it properly), and [[DW]]: ''[[The Chase]]'' implied that the Daleks could fly, as it showed the Daleks on two levels of the Marie Celeste. Flying Daleks have also been featured in numerous Daleks comic strips since the 1960s. | *Daleks were previously seen floating in [[DW]]: ''[[Revelation of the Daleks]]'' (although the camera angle didn't show it properly), and [[DW]]: ''[[The Chase]]'' implied that the Daleks could fly, as it showed the Daleks on two levels of the Marie Celeste. Flying Daleks have also been featured in numerous Daleks comic strips since the 1960s. | ||
*According to [[DWM]]: ''[[In the Community]]'' a [[Doctor Who Magazine]] short story (which appeared in [[DWM Issue 195]]) the girl who is the Dalek's battle computer is named [[Judith Winters]]. | *According to [[DWM]]: ''[[In the Community]]'' a [[Doctor Who Magazine]] short story (which appeared in [[DWM Issue 195]]) the girl who is the Dalek's battle computer is named [[Judith Winters]]. | ||
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