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*In the following episode, we are told the Doctor has been in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years, yet after just 2 billion years the wall is nearly broken. | *In the following episode, we are told the Doctor has been in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years, yet after just 2 billion years the wall is nearly broken. | ||
::In the shot after he says he's 20 million years in, we can see the wall is broken enough for him to stand in, even though it should only have about 2 inched of indentation at that point. It's done more for cinematic purposes of showing the wall wearing down without immediately dropping the times as hundreds of millions. | |||
*The Doctor paints the portrait of Clara, yet when the castle is reset, the painting is complete. Surely, after a reset, the canvas would be blank? | *The Doctor paints the portrait of Clara, yet when the castle is reset, the painting is complete. Surely, after a reset, the canvas would be blank? | ||
:: Things that are changed or added by the Doctor, are not affected by the reset. | :: Things that are changed or added by the Doctor, are not affected by the reset. | ||
::: Except when the Doctor digs the hole, its filled up when he revisits. | ::: Except when the Doctor digs the hole, its filled up when he revisits. | ||
*In the following episode, Hell Bent, Clara mentions that the Doctor's eyes show he hasn't seen her in a long, long time. But, if the doctor killed each copy and was regenerated anew through the teleporter, only having lived for about a week or so each time, doesn't that mean that the Doctor last saw Clara a week ago in his memory? | *In the following episode, Hell Bent, Clara mentions that the Doctor's eyes show he hasn't seen her in a long, long time. But, if the doctor killed each copy and was regenerated anew through the teleporter, only having lived for about a week or so each time, doesn't that mean that the Doctor last saw Clara a week ago in his memory? | ||
::No, because the episode establishes that once the Doctor makes the connection to the message "BIRD" all the memories of having repeatedly done this over and over come flooding back (at 37:53-56 he says, "I can remember it all. Every time"). Even though physically the Doctor of "Hell Bent" may only be a week or so older, mentally he feels all 4.5 billion years. Considering how poorly he's taking things at the 7,000-year mark, his clear insanity in the following episode becomes more understandable considering his likely state of mind at the 4.5-billion-year mark. | ::No, because the episode establishes that once the Doctor makes the connection to the message "BIRD" all the memories of having repeatedly done this over and over come flooding back (at 37:53-56 he says, "I can remember it all. Every time"). Even though physically the Doctor of "Hell Bent" may only be a week or so older, mentally he feels all 4.5 billion years. Considering how poorly he's taking things at the 7,000-year mark, his clear insanity in the following episode becomes more understandable considering his likely state of mind at the 4.5-billion-year mark. | ||
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:::::I don't think that is supposed to be the case. The Azbantium is said to be 400x harder than diamond, but it isn't said to be infinitely harder, or impervious to normal objects. And the hypothesis that some special Timelordy material is needed to get through it seems to conflict with the point of the bird story -- the bird isn't some special mountain-destroying object. The point is that a tiny amount of damage from the humblest of sources, if repeated enough times over a long enough period, will eventually destroy the largest and hardest of objects. | :::::I don't think that is supposed to be the case. The Azbantium is said to be 400x harder than diamond, but it isn't said to be infinitely harder, or impervious to normal objects. And the hypothesis that some special Timelordy material is needed to get through it seems to conflict with the point of the bird story -- the bird isn't some special mountain-destroying object. The point is that a tiny amount of damage from the humblest of sources, if repeated enough times over a long enough period, will eventually destroy the largest and hardest of objects. | ||
::The shovel wasn't available because the Doctor doesn't remember what he's supposed to do until after he enters Room 12, by which time the Veil is blocking any chance of departure to retrieve the shovel. Also, the Doctor being a Time Lord, he likely does pack a stronger punch than if he'd used his shoes or something. | ::The shovel wasn't available because the Doctor doesn't remember what he's supposed to do until after he enters Room 12, by which time the Veil is blocking any chance of departure to retrieve the shovel. Also, the Doctor being a Time Lord, he likely does pack a stronger punch than if he'd used his shoes or something. | ||
::Time Lords have much greater physical strength than humans, so his punches are stronger than ours. Also, just a reminder, Azbantium is 400x harder than diamond. If he grabs a chair and whacks it against the wall, it'll break on the first hit. If he grabs the shovel, it breaks on the first hit. Anything he could've used would break instantly. | |||
*At the end we see everything took place inside a confession dial, but was it the Doctor's confession dial? If so, why was this what was inside it and shouldn't he have known? | *At the end we see everything took place inside a confession dial, but was it the Doctor's confession dial? If so, why was this what was inside it and shouldn't he have known? | ||
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:: Probably his claim to be the hybrid is just a lie meant to scare the Timelords. In "Hell Bent," he seems to disagree with Ashildr's theory that he is the hybrid. | :: Probably his claim to be the hybrid is just a lie meant to scare the Timelords. In "Hell Bent," he seems to disagree with Ashildr's theory that he is the hybrid. | ||
*This is point four: Too many skulls. In the water the Doctor sees many thousands of skulls. He emerges from the water in the interior of the castle. Billions of skulls being added would eventually inundate the castle. The depth of the water within the castle walls can be estimated. 7000 years in the future gives the point at which we join the story. If he survives in the castle for a week, 52 skulls a year will be deposited. 7000 x 52 = 364,000 skulls.This amount does not rise above the water in the interior of the castle. If he adds the same amount until breaching the crystal wall he will add 104,000,000,000 skulls. The castle would overflow with skulls. Even if the skulls fall exterior to the castle the 'angle of repose' applies. Complicating factors such as currents, storms and the depth of the water exterior to the castle all lead to the same conclusion: too many skulls. | *This is point four: Too many skulls. In the water the Doctor sees many thousands of skulls. He emerges from the water in the interior of the castle. Billions of skulls being added would eventually inundate the castle. The depth of the water within the castle walls can be estimated. 7000 years in the future gives the point at which we join the story. If he survives in the castle for a week, 52 skulls a year will be deposited. 7000 x 52 = 364,000 skulls. This amount does not rise above the water in the interior of the castle. If he adds the same amount until breaching the crystal wall he will add 104,000,000,000 skulls. The castle would overflow with skulls. Even if the skulls fall exterior to the castle the 'angle of repose' applies. Complicating factors such as currents, storms and the depth of the water exterior to the castle all lead to the same conclusion: too many skulls. | ||
::You have to remember that skulls don't last forever. They'll eventually turn to dust, allowing for newer skulls to take their place. | ::You have to remember that skulls don't last forever. They'll eventually turn to dust, allowing for newer skulls to take their place. | ||
:: Indeed. Considering that the Doctor appears to live and die at a consistent rate by the time we hit this episode, the bones would decay and add up at a consistent rate leaving a perpetual collection of skulls. | :: Indeed. Considering that the Doctor appears to live and die at a consistent rate by the time we hit this episode, the bones would decay and add up at a consistent rate leaving a perpetual collection of skulls. | ||
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*The woman whose corpse the Doctor saw as a child was presumably a Time Lady, so why didn't she regenerate? | *The woman whose corpse the Doctor saw as a child was presumably a Time Lady, so why didn't she regenerate? | ||
::Regeneration can be halted in various ways, such as stabbing both hearts. Alternately, the woman had reached the end of her regeneration cycle. | ::Regeneration can be halted in various ways, such as stabbing both hearts. Alternately, the woman had reached the end of her regeneration cycle. | ||
::Shobogans also live on Gallifrey and do not regenerate (this was established in The Deadly Assassin, so it is valid to bring up here). He may have spent time with Shobogans, since the barn he grew up in seems to be outside of the Citadel. | |||
*The doctor was in the Confession Dial for 4.5 billion years. Where was the Confession Dial itself during all this time? Not on Gallifrey, because Gallifrey is gone from the universe during our time - it was moved to the end of time. The Confession Dial must have been somewhere else, and then when it got to the time where Gallifrey is located going "the long way around," somehow someone moved it to Gallifrey? | *The doctor was in the Confession Dial for 4.5 billion years. Where was the Confession Dial itself during all this time? Not on Gallifrey, because Gallifrey is gone from the universe during our time - it was moved to the end of time. The Confession Dial must have been somewhere else, and then when it got to the time where Gallifrey is located going "the long way around," somehow someone moved it to Gallifrey? | ||
*Why don't other parts of the castle wear down before that diamond wall does? Why doesn't he wear holes through the hallways by walking on them, why don't the gears and other mechanisms of the castle wear down to nothing, etc.? Wouldn't those things happen faster than a 20-foot-thick wall 400x harder than diamond being worn down by a fist? | *Why don't other parts of the castle wear down before that diamond wall does? Why doesn't he wear holes through the hallways by walking on them, why don't the gears and other mechanisms of the castle wear down to nothing, etc.? Wouldn't those things happen faster than a 20-foot-thick wall 400x harder than diamond being worn down by a fist? | ||
::Each room of the castle resets. The Azbantium is the wall of the Confession Dial, technically outside of the castle, and as such does not reset. | |||
*Where does all the matter come from for all these skulls? When he jumps in the water, there is a huge pile of skulls underwater, clearly containing many times more mass than his own body. How is all this mass coming into the system? | *Where does all the matter come from for all these skulls? When he jumps in the water, there is a huge pile of skulls underwater, clearly containing many times more mass than his own body. How is all this mass coming into the system? | ||
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*Where is the energy coming from to keep the whole mechanism of the castle running for 4.5 billion years? And if the system has such a vast energy source, how come the Doctor has to burn his own body to provide enough energy to run the teleporter? | *Where is the energy coming from to keep the whole mechanism of the castle running for 4.5 billion years? And if the system has such a vast energy source, how come the Doctor has to burn his own body to provide enough energy to run the teleporter? | ||
::It's very clever Time Lord technology, i.e. so intricate that it would be far too difficult for the dying Doctor to understand and re-purpose on the spot, if it's possible at all from the inside. | ::It's very clever Time Lord technology, i.e. so intricate that it would be far too difficult for the dying Doctor to understand and re-purpose on the spot, if it's possible at all from the inside. | ||
::It's possible the Time Lords, similar to the Logopolitans, have come up with ways to avoid/prevent/reverse the loss of energy over time. | |||
*What was the Confession Dial doing for 4.5 billion years? Just sitting in the desert, in that place where the Doctor emerged and met a little boy? And no one tampered with it during that time? Nor did its walls get worn down by weather, nor was it buried as continents moved, mountains turned to ocean floors, and similar geologic changes occurred? | *What was the Confession Dial doing for 4.5 billion years? Just sitting in the desert, in that place where the Doctor emerged and met a little boy? And no one tampered with it during that time? Nor did its walls get worn down by weather, nor was it buried as continents moved, mountains turned to ocean floors, and similar geologic changes occurred? | ||
