Talk:The Brenda and Effie Mysteries (series): Difference between revisions

::: Also, a point of terminology: basically, '''"covered" in Wiki-policy-talk means we have in-universe page about something's fictional contents'''. Obviously, in plain English, to even ''have'' the page [[The Brenda and Effie Mysteries (series)]], or, for that matter, [[Star Trek]], is to give those series some "coverage", but that's not how we use the term. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:25, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

::::Personally, I would want the style of coverage to be kept here. It's already incredibly comprehensive, showing that nearly every story has some license connecting it to the DWU. I think it greatly enhances the page. Please do not remove anything, is the short of it! <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><tt>Epsilon</tt></span>]]''' '''[[doctor who:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 01:30, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

The thread has admittedly moved on a bit since I started writing this, but it's my stance that [[User:Najawin|Najawin]]'s comment was completely reasonable position and it makes zero sense to antagonize them. It's a simple and indisputable fact that on our comparable pages for invalid series, including but not limited to ''[[Vienna (series)|Vienna]]'', we've never taken the step of listing the invalid stories and their connections to valid stories. Personally I think this page is great and we should be more proactive about collecting "Behind the scenes", as I've advocated on [[Talk:Charity publication]], but the fact remains that there hasn't been precedent for such a thing until now.

That said, if we can look at a ''slightly'' different scenario of "invalid anthologies which nonetheless contain valid short stories," such as ''[[Decalog 5: Wonders]]'' and ''[[Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger (anthology)|Señor 105 & the Elements of Danger]]'', we ''do'' have ample precedent for listing the titles and authors of invalid stories, regardless of whether or not they have clear connections to the DWU. Considering that none of the ''Brenda and Effie'' stories are valid (yet), this isn't a direct application of precedent, but it at least demonstrates that merely listing a story's title and author on a series overview page is incomparable to the amount of coverage we afford invalid stories like, say, ''[[Death Comes to Time (webcast)|Death Comes to Time]]'' or ''[[Doctor Who: Battles in Time]]'', which in contrast receive pages for individual stories and even individual characters like [[Minister of Chance]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 01:35, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

: Why are you accusing people of attempting to antagonize [[User:Najawin]]? That certainly hasn't been a goal for me - and makes me uncomfortable continuing a discussion if things are going to be misinterpreted so severely! [[User:RadMatter|RadMatter]] [[User talk:RadMatter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

::I would prefer, as a matter of procedure, the page to be shortened, either to just keep something in the vein of:

::: Entry in the Series : What elements it uses

::: [List of all things the entire series uses here]

::But I don't think such a thing is imperative, given the context. This entire discussion was more me defending my desire to go on the record than actually insisting that such a thing happen, I consider this a molehill, not a mountain. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

::: In point of fact, @NateBumber, if you'll review [[Tardis:Valid sources]], you'll find that you're using the terminology slightly wrong; ''The Brenda and Effie Mysteries'' or ''Vienna'' are not in fact "invalid sources", but rather "not covered" — i.e., not sources of ''any'' kind, whether it be for {{tlx|invalid}} pages or not.

::: But yeah, I think Najawin and youhave the right of it in terms of what the precedent/current practice is. And we're not about to list every ''Star Trek'' story, complete with authorship, at ''[[Star Trek]]'', so in the spirit of [[T:NPOV]], we shouldn't give better treatment to ''Brenda & Effie'' in this regard.

::: Although also, yes, as [[User:Shambala108]] said before the Forums blew up, it's discourteous and largely counterproductive to assume (hostile) intent on the part of people who haven't stated any such, outside of a formal [[T:NPA]] complaint. Please refrain from that, Nate. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:41, 31 January 2021 (UTC)