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To add to this discussion just a little... since it is about defining the scope of this page: I would like to readily note that the Leekley Bible items - bar Fathers and Brothers - would likely not fit the notion that is being laid out, given that they seem not to have actually been '''pitched at all'''. Having read the Bible, what is actually given is not story pitches, outlines or indeed any indication of an intent to produce said items... What is given are details of previous adventures in this reimagined universe from '''the 'in-universe' perspective itself''' of Borusa's scribe under Borusa's instruction. And I can find no reference in In-Vision 108 or Doctor Who: Regeneration to suggest that these would actually ever be utilised from a production standpoint. (I mean, the whole thing reads as a short story within the proposed universe rather than a production document... but that's a discussion of its own.) So, I would like to question their inclusion here. [[User:JDPManjoume|JDPManjoume]] [[User talk:JDPManjoume|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:03, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | To add to this discussion just a little... since it is about defining the scope of this page: I would like to readily note that the Leekley Bible items - bar Fathers and Brothers - would likely not fit the notion that is being laid out, given that they seem not to have actually been '''pitched at all'''. Having read the Bible, what is actually given is not story pitches, outlines or indeed any indication of an intent to produce said items... What is given are details of previous adventures in this reimagined universe from '''the 'in-universe' perspective itself''' of Borusa's scribe under Borusa's instruction. And I can find no reference in In-Vision 108 or Doctor Who: Regeneration to suggest that these would actually ever be utilised from a production standpoint. (I mean, the whole thing reads as a short story within the proposed universe rather than a production document... but that's a discussion of its own.) So, I would like to question their inclusion here. [[User:JDPManjoume|JDPManjoume]] [[User talk:JDPManjoume|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:03, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
::: Are they really? That's ''very'' intriguing. If they're in-universe, they should definitely be covered as such. Probably as {{tl|invalid}} on Rule 4 grounds, of course. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | ::: Are they really? That's ''very'' intriguing. If they're in-universe, they should definitely be covered as such. Probably as {{tl|invalid}} on Rule 4 grounds, of course. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
::::: Indeed. Though I am not sure how well they could be detailed. The Bible as whole would be easy in terms of the framing narrative but the individual adventures... well, for instance, the scribe's retelling of what is amusingly deemed 'Tomb of the Cybs' is all of three lines long. (And having just checked The Nth Doctor to try and further clarify the matter for myself - Note 51 of Chapter 6 (page 306 in the ebook copy) attached to the section of the book that notes the Bible's creation and existence (page 291) states that these short indications "''probably gave rise to the unfounded rumour that Amblin proposed to remake original television series episodes''".) | |||
::::: (Re. validity - obviously something that would need to be detailed in-depth elsewhere but it might well be a difficult one to nail down in terms of intention, given that Leekley would've of course been writing with the intention and perception that he was actually being continuous with the TV series. One section of dialogue from the Bible in which Borusa comments to the reader; "I, for example, in an earlier regeneration, became a megalomanic. Happily; it was a phase that passed." is commented upon Jean-Marc & Randy Lofficier in note 44 of Nth Doctor, as Leekley's attempt to "explain away the Borusa of The Five Doctors (6K), as if this took place after the original series." Certainly quite a conversation to be had there!) [[User:JDPManjoume|JDPManjoume]] [[User talk:JDPManjoume|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:38, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::And potentially Rule 3 - unless we say that it was indeed released to its intended audience of Amblin Entertainment execs? Maybe a bit of a strange interpretation there. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 16:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | ::::And potentially Rule 3 - unless we say that it was indeed released to its intended audience of Amblin Entertainment execs? Maybe a bit of a strange interpretation there. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 16:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
:::::Was the Leekley Bible not printed in full in ''[[The Nth Doctor]]''? A ''delayed'' public release is still an official release (see ''[[Doctor Who and the Time War (short story)|Doctor Who and the Time War]]'' among others — and of course there's ''[[Shada (TV story)|Shada]]''). [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | :::::Was the Leekley Bible not printed in full in ''[[The Nth Doctor]]''? A ''delayed'' public release is still an official release (see ''[[Doctor Who and the Time War (short story)|Doctor Who and the Time War]]'' among others — and of course there's ''[[Shada (TV story)|Shada]]''). [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
:::::: No, just excerpts within Nth Doctor and Doctor Who: Regeneration. Rule 3 would definitely an easier point on which to rule it out. [[User:JDPManjoume|JDPManjoume]] [[User talk:JDPManjoume|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:38, 8 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
