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::::Okay, I thin I understand what you're saying, but I still think we should go with ''Mondasian colony ship''. You previously mentioned that you thought there is no reason to assume that this ship is the only Mondasian colony ship out there, yet you then later said that there wasn't much need for an overview page on Mondasian colony ships in general. In which case, why assume that there are other Mondasian colony ships out there? I say unless a later story actually establishes that Mondasian colony ships are a ''type'', and not just an individual ship, this page should be name ''Mondasian colony ship'', because there isn't any reason to assume that there ''are'' other ships of its kind out there. [[User:Thalek Prime Overseer|Thalek Prime Overseer]] [[User talk:Thalek Prime Overseer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:12, 17 June 2021 (UTC) | ::::Okay, I thin I understand what you're saying, but I still think we should go with ''Mondasian colony ship''. You previously mentioned that you thought there is no reason to assume that this ship is the only Mondasian colony ship out there, yet you then later said that there wasn't much need for an overview page on Mondasian colony ships in general. In which case, why assume that there are other Mondasian colony ships out there? I say unless a later story actually establishes that Mondasian colony ships are a ''type'', and not just an individual ship, this page should be name ''Mondasian colony ship'', because there isn't any reason to assume that there ''are'' other ships of its kind out there. [[User:Thalek Prime Overseer|Thalek Prime Overseer]] [[User talk:Thalek Prime Overseer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:12, 17 June 2021 (UTC) | ||
:: There are two different questions at play. Question 1: are there other Mondasian colony ships, or this the only one? Question 2: if the answer to the previous question is "yes", are "Mondasian colony ships" worthy of an overview page? Those are linked but separate questions. | |||
:: Here's a comparison: suppose we have an unnamed woman in a story. We know little about her; we do know that she is, I dunno, left-handed. Should we call her page [[Left-handed woman]]? Well, no. She is a woman who happens to be left-handed, but there's no indication that she is the sole left-handed woman in the DWU. We'd have to call her [[Left-handed woman (Terror of the Forexamplons)]]. But that implies that "Left-handed woman" is a ''kind'', the way "Dalek" is a ''kind'' that allows us to do pages like [[Dalek (The Also People)]]. Otherwise we'd just go with [[Woman (Terror of the Forexamlons)]], because that's shorter. Well, left-handed women aren't a "kind" — we know that there is at least one left-handed in the DWU who are left-handed, we surmise that they may be more; but it is not clear that this makes them pageworthy separate from the concepts of womanhood and left-handedness. | |||
:: So is it with "Mondasian colony ships", IMO. It is more speculative than not to say that this was the ''only'' "Mondasian colony ship" in history. But absent further information, I don't think "Mondasian colony ship" is a meaningfully unique type of colony ship any more than "New-Zealandese cars" are distinct from "cars", no matter how many there are. It is a Mondasian colony ship in the sense that a New-Zealandese car is New-Zealandese, not in the same sense that French toast is French — that it is Mondasian is a random fact, not something that ''colours'' its colony-ship-ness. Even if we had records of other Mondasian colony ships, we wouldn't have a [[Mondasian colony ship]] overview page, anymore than we have a [[Left-handed woman]] page. | |||
:: I hope all this makes sense. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
