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:::: As far as this story is concerned, an alternate timeline and an alternate universe are synonymous --in the sense that "alternate universes are a result of a divergence in the course of history". This approach is what is used in the RTD Era and what is used in a majority of Doctor Who fiction. The easiest point of comparison here is [[Donna's World]], an alternative timeline generated by the influence of the Trickster Brigade. Donna's World and Pete's World are both considered the same thing ("great big parallel world[s]"). The Doctor doesn't insist upon "Well, this was an altered timeline or an aborted timeline NOT a parallel universe." because as far as that story is concerned they are the same thing. This is what the STANDARD approach is in fiction. Parallel universes being entirely separate from their genesis is the exception, not the rule. The wiki has this general approach of imposing a difference when it is clearly not the intent. | :::: As far as this story is concerned, an alternate timeline and an alternate universe are synonymous --in the sense that "alternate universes are a result of a divergence in the course of history". This approach is what is used in the RTD Era and what is used in a majority of Doctor Who fiction. The easiest point of comparison here is [[Donna's World]], an alternative timeline generated by the influence of the Trickster Brigade. Donna's World and Pete's World are both considered the same thing ("great big parallel world[s]"). The Doctor doesn't insist upon "Well, this was an altered timeline or an aborted timeline NOT a parallel universe." because as far as that story is concerned they are the same thing. This is what the STANDARD approach is in fiction. Parallel universes being entirely separate from their genesis is the exception, not the rule. The wiki has this general approach of imposing a difference when it is clearly not the intent. | ||
:::: Saying that the Sixth Doctor and Peri are not from N-Space but instead from "an alternate timeline of this alternate universe" feels like a desperate attempt to not take the story at its word. This story is communicating that "the Warrior's World" is an alternate universe in the same way that "Donna's World" is an alternate universe. The Sixth Doctor and Peri that we see are meant to be the ones we are familiar with. If the Donna from Donna's World met the Donna from the Doctor's World, we wouldn't delineate the latter from the "prime" Donna. Or at the very least, we shouldn't. This does not need to be this complicated.[[User:NoNotTheMemes|NoNotTheMemes]] [[User talk:NoNotTheMemes|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)19: | :::: Saying that the Sixth Doctor and Peri are not from N-Space but instead from "an alternate timeline of this alternate universe" feels like a desperate attempt to not take the story at its word. This story is communicating that "the Warrior's World" is an alternate universe in the same way that "Donna's World" is an alternate universe. The Sixth Doctor and Peri that we see are meant to be the ones we are familiar with. If the Donna from Donna's World met the Donna from the Doctor's World, we wouldn't delineate the latter from the "prime" Donna. Or at the very least, we shouldn't. This does not need to be this complicated.[[User:NoNotTheMemes|NoNotTheMemes]] [[User talk:NoNotTheMemes|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
Citing the wiki's approach to the [[Unbound Universe]] isn't compelling, at least to me, because it's current approach suffers from the same problem. It's not taking the story at its word. The "Unbound Universe" is an alternate timeline in which the Second Doctor was exiled to the 90s rather than the 70s. That's how it's advertised and that's how it is structured in-universe. As far as that story is concerned, it is something that DIVERGED from the original timeline. The premise that the Third Doctor in *Sympathy for the Devil* didn't regenerate from the Second Doctor that we know from the TV show is the Wiki imposing a narrative upon the story that it very evidently was not trying to say. It's imposing a different approach to "alternate timelines v. alternate universes" than what is used in-story. | |||
Imposing the thesis that "alternate timelines are different from alternate universes" as the rule on stories involving Unbounds is a bad doctrine that ignores what the story is trying to do. | |||
Some may argue that "Well, because of this change in the Unbound that means X previous adventure didn't happen the way it used to." To that I say, how is that any different from the rest of the show? The 21st Century that Zoe came from is very obviously not the 21st Century that we see in NuWho, but that isn't used to argue that the Second Doctor in the Eleventh Doctor's past isn't the same incarnation as the one we saw in '''[[The War Games (TV story)|the War Games]]'''. As far as these stories are concerned, alternate timelines ARE alternate universes/parallel universes. This is the far more mainstream approach to a "multiverse" both in Doctor Who fiction and in broader science fiction. Imposing the other definition is editorializing. [[User:NoNotTheMemes|NoNotTheMemes]] [[User talk:NoNotTheMemes|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC) | |||
