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== Talk pages and edit summmaries == | == Talk pages and edit summmaries == | ||
Hello! Couldn't help notice that things were heating up in the Theory:Timelines namespace again. The object-level debate itself isn't my area, but I do want to remind you that [[Tardis:Edit wars are good for absolutely nothing|"edit wars are good for absolutely nothing"]], as the fellow said — and moreover, that substantial disagreement such as has come to the fore should really be hashed out on a ''talk page'', not in edit summaries. This is clearly contentious, other people might want to weigh in, and having the argument through edit summaries makes it unnecessarily hard for new people to look through the points on both sides and give their input. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 22:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC) | Hello! Couldn't help notice that things were heating up in the Theory:Timelines namespace again. The object-level debate itself isn't my area, but I do want to remind you that [[Tardis:Edit wars are good for absolutely nothing|"edit wars are good for absolutely nothing"]], as the fellow said — and moreover, that substantial disagreement such as has come to the fore should really be hashed out on a ''talk page'', not in edit summaries. This is clearly contentious, other people might want to weigh in, and having the argument through edit summaries makes it unnecessarily hard for new people to look through the points on both sides and give their input. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 22:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC) | ||
: Ah. I see. The thing though, the thing is, people in edit wars (or nascent edit wars) generally feel correct; in fact by definition, usually, one half of the war ''is'' abstractly correct. I agree [[User:SarahJaneFan]] should have included edit summaries; but unless the edits are so unreasonable as to be vandalism that can't be allowed to stand, when attempts at reversions are failing to resolve a situation, it falls to whoever can gather the wits and force of will to do so to be the bigger person, and take it to the talk page. Even if that means letting the other edit stand in the meantime. (You can then demand that the other user join in the talk page discussion, and complain to admins if they don't!) Still, I'll have a word with SJF to; fair's fair. | |||
: Now as for the object-level issue. Look… there's a reason I rarely edit the timeline pages. With no offence to anyone who likes editing them, I just can't see the point in trying to make a single consensus timelines. Too many cooks, too many recipes. There are too many areas where different stories just want to occupy the same spot and "can't". (They ''can'' paradoxically overlap, in my heart and even in-universe within the inconsistent timey-wimey-ball that is the Web of Time; but they can't really in a linear timeline page.) This seems like a prime case. Should we take it upon ourselves to deduce our own order, to match one side's authorial intent? But what about the other sides' authorial intent? What about the fairly rare event of an official source giving us an ''official'' timeline in the form of ''Interweaving…''? | |||
: By some points of views all of the options here seem reasonable to me. If I had my way we'd try and maintain parallel timelines following each of the possible approaches, instead of maintaining a single [[Theory:Timeline - Seventh Doctor]], though that probably would degenerate into uselessness pretty quickly. | |||
: I think what you're getting at is that we should be consistent in our philosophy; that either authorial intent is always prime, or a later document like ''Interweaving…'' is always prime, but we can't mix and match. I can see the impulse, but I'm not sure that's workable either. There ''is'' no such thing as an objectively-correct algorithm for sorting all DWU stories ever in an order that makes sense, because there is no such order, only vague approximations. A timeline entails judgment calls, and furthermore, ones which will, one way or the other, end up based on aesthetic preferences. | |||
: (I mean heck, wrong Doctor, but for my money I think the whole idea of a post-''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'' restoration of Gallifrey is fundamentally unsatisfying; I stick by the old idea that the early Big Finish Eighth Doctor audios — up until the Divergent Universe — take place somewhere in the Greenpeace Gap, and I firmly believe that as far as the EDAs are concerned, the destruction of Gallifrey that Eccleston remembers is ''[[The Ancestor Cell (novel)|The Ancestor Cell]]''. I'm not saying the timeline community should stop everything and agree with me, but I ''am'' saying that it's as valid a view as any, and that you should keep in mind that even for something that major, there are people who would to be doing something radically different and feel deep in their guts that the current way is wrong-wrong-wrong.) | |||
: So really, it's all down to consensus. I think you should try to hash out, on the talk page, with as many timeline-editors as possible, which way of looking at the DWM comics you ''prefer''. You have a fairly reasonable justification for your view, but I think proving it to be the objectively "correct" one, or to make it entirely consistent with every other decision, is neither desirable, nor in fact possible. You need to just make your case, and [[User:SarahJaneFan]] needs to make theirs, and the community needs to decide which idea it finds most elegant, that's all. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 10:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
