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This approach allows us to "provide a path to citizenship", as it were, to the stories that are the [https://twitter.com/Prog_Ares/status/1507170074280579077 beloved black sheep] of the larger DWU franchise. We can bring them in out from the cold, accept them once more back into the family, but in doing so be careful to distinguish between fun references and gags and those authors who genuinely are trying to weld things together. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | This approach allows us to "provide a path to citizenship", as it were, to the stories that are the [https://twitter.com/Prog_Ares/status/1507170074280579077 beloved black sheep] of the larger DWU franchise. We can bring them in out from the cold, accept them once more back into the family, but in doing so be careful to distinguish between fun references and gags and those authors who genuinely are trying to weld things together. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
:: I don't think this is redundant with the ''Sequels to invalid stories'' thread. That thread simply sought to clarify the status of these sequels/prequels ''within'' the paradigm of [[T:VS]]; to argue the point of "even ''if'' we hold a given story invalid, current policy ''doesn't'' actually ask us to deem all its sequels invalid if the author of the sequel actively intends ''their'' story to be Rule 4-breaking". It didn't change T:VS at all, merely corrected its application. This proposal, on the other hand, seeks to ''alter'' something which in the ''Sequels'' thread was an uncontested premise. | |||
:: I'm not sure I entirely grasp the distinction between our proposals; do you mean to say that we would need an explicit BTS quote by the author of the later story? This seems, in the main, unworkable and unnecessary to me. ''[[Dalek Survival Guide (novel)|Dalek Survival Guide]]'' is very explicit about what it does with the Cushingverse — explicitly talking about "versions of history" — such that I don't see what more a BTS quote would clear up; and given that the book was cowritten by five different people, we would have to go badger these five people in turns, to ask them to rephrase a minor point in a twenty-year-old tie-in book which is already clear as day in the book itself. Were I in their position, I'd be very irritated and I might well hang up the phone. ''[[Storm in a Tikka (short story)|Storm in a Tikka]]'' comes with explicit notes about being a sequel to ''[[Dimensions in Time (TV story)|Dimensions in Time]]'' and prequel to ''[[Search Out Space]]'', and we already agreed that ''it'' was valid; I don't see what more [[Mike Tucker]] and [[Robert Perry]] could tell us that is not already made plain by those two things! | |||
:: If these two scenarios seem fine to you, and you would simply hold off on things like ''[[Trading Futures (novel)|Trading Futures]]'' referencing the Canisian invasion without elaborating — alright, that seems fair. | |||
:: As concerns ''[[The Tomorrow Windows (novel)|The Tomorrow Windows]]'', I don't understand what we disagree on. Yes, it's showing "possible futures". ''[[Possible future]]s count'' (note how there's a substantal in-universe page about the concept!). We'll be here all night if we start arguing about whether they're ''exactly'' the same kind of thing as a [[parallel universe]] or an [[alternate timeline]], and what the differences are; but straightforwarldy, a "possible future" that the prime Doctor can diegetically view through a particular time machine is part of the wider [[DWU]] in the same way that any parallel (''Unbound''?) universe that "our" Doctor can ''theoretically access'' is part of the wider DWU. If we had a standalone story with the framing device of the Doctor looking in a magic time-window and observing the adventures of one of his "possible" future selves, that novel "possible" Doctor's existence would I think non-controversially be fodder for a valid page. Back in the real world, what it would imply is coverage along the lines of: | |||
{{simplequote|In a [[possible future]] the [[Eighth Doctor]] glimpsed in the [[Tomorrow Window]]s, ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Tomorrow Windows (novel)|The Tomorrow Windows]]'') the [[Ninth Doctor (Scream of the Shalka)|Ninth Doctor]] defeated the [[Shalka]] in such-and-such circumstances… ([[WC]]: ''[[Scream of the Shalka (webcast)|Scream of the Shalka]]'')|The future?}} | |||
:: Don't you think this makes sense? Why not? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 13:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
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