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{{retitle|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}Around the time of the first NuWho [[Target novelisation]]s, I created [[Thread:231243]] about our treatment of novelisations. Beforehand, we'd put novelisations in a strange [[Forum:Doctor Who Novelisations - canon or not?|second tier]] of validity: parts which matched the TV story were valid, but parts which contradicted the TV story weren't. Thanks to the arguments in that thread, we [[Special:Diff/2486620|changed the policy]] and validated all novelisation content, wrapped in "By another account" logic when necessary. | {{retitle|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}[[Category:Temporary forums]] | ||
==Opening post== | |||
Around the time of the first NuWho [[Target novelisation]]s, I created [[Thread:231243]] about our treatment of novelisations. Beforehand, we'd put novelisations in a strange [[Forum:Doctor Who Novelisations - canon or not?|second tier]] of validity: parts which matched the TV story were valid, but parts which contradicted the TV story weren't. Thanks to the arguments in that thread, we [[Special:Diff/2486620|changed the policy]] and validated all novelisation content, wrapped in "By another account" logic when necessary. | |||
However, [[User:CzechOut|CzechOut]] carved out a specific exception for page names. There are [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/3#Novelisation character names|dozens]] of characters who were unnamed or only given a first name in their TV appearances but received full names in novelisations. For instance, [[Co-pilot (The Horns of Nimon)]] – a generic and cumbersome page name if I've ever seen one – was called "Sardor" in the novelisation. Why not just call the page [[Sardor]] instead? CzechOut's reasoning, mirrored at [[Talk:Miranda (The TV Movie)]], was that "articles shouldn't be named on the basis of an obscure work, like a novelisation". I didn't fully appreciate this logic at the time, but I've come to see that it's very wise and shows a keen sensitivity to the needs of the full spectrum of our users. When I proposed that the old, TV-dabbed names would still exist as redirects, CzechOut replied at [[Thread:231243#4]] that the way redirects are displayed in search results simply isn't sufficient to bridge the gap for casual users of the wiki. | However, [[User:CzechOut|CzechOut]] carved out a specific exception for page names. There are [[User:NateBumber/Sandbox/3#Novelisation character names|dozens]] of characters who were unnamed or only given a first name in their TV appearances but received full names in novelisations. For instance, [[Co-pilot (The Horns of Nimon)]] – a generic and cumbersome page name if I've ever seen one – was called "Sardor" in the novelisation. Why not just call the page [[Sardor]] instead? CzechOut's reasoning, mirrored at [[Talk:Miranda (The TV Movie)]], was that "articles shouldn't be named on the basis of an obscure work, like a novelisation". I didn't fully appreciate this logic at the time, but I've come to see that it's very wise and shows a keen sensitivity to the needs of the full spectrum of our users. When I proposed that the old, TV-dabbed names would still exist as redirects, CzechOut replied at [[Thread:231243#4]] that the way redirects are displayed in search results simply isn't sufficient to bridge the gap for casual users of the wiki. | ||
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This perfectly addresses CzechOut's concern. With the searchability issue resolved once and for all, we should officially grant novelisations the same weight as other sources in page naming, particularly in cases where it would help disambiguation. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:43, 7 February 2023 (UTC) | This perfectly addresses CzechOut's concern. With the searchability issue resolved once and for all, we should officially grant novelisations the same weight as other sources in page naming, particularly in cases where it would help disambiguation. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 15:43, 7 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
==Discussion== | |||
: I think this is a "common sense" proposal that I wholeheartedly '''support'''. The redirects showing up in searches pretty much solves the only reason we even blocked using names from novelizations in article titles. [[User:Pluto2|Pluto2]][[User talk:Pluto2|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC) | : I think this is a "common sense" proposal that I wholeheartedly '''support'''. The redirects showing up in searches pretty much solves the only reason we even blocked using names from novelizations in article titles. [[User:Pluto2|Pluto2]][[User talk:Pluto2|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
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:I agree with this wholeheartedly. Nothing more to add. [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC) | :I agree with this wholeheartedly. Nothing more to add. [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
[[ | ::I think this is relatively common sense, but I'd really like to see Czech's comments on that thread just to make sure that the change FANDOM has made actually does address the issue. But, again, I dislike any violation of [[T:NPOV]]. :> [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:49, 7 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
