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*Multiple [[BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures|BBC ''Eighth Doctor Adventures'']] (''[[Sometime Never... (novel)|Sometimes Never...]]'', ''[[The Deadstone Memorial (novel)|The Deadstone Memorial]]'' and ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'') novels endeavoured to prequelise ''Sream of the Shalka'', treating it as a valid [[possible future]] for the present-day of the [[Eighth Doctor]], by describing the Master's "echo" in the TARDIS as physically resembling the animated [[The Master (Scream of the Shalka)|"Android" Master]]. The last two are particularly noteworthy because they ''postdate'' the announcement of [[Christopher Eccleston]]'s [[Ninth Doctor]] ([[2 April (releases)|2 April]] [[2004 (releases)|2004]]! In [[DWM 336]], [[Justin Richards]] explicitly confirmed his intent for the 'Echo' Master to link up to the 'Shalka' Master. | *Multiple [[BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures|BBC ''Eighth Doctor Adventures'']] (''[[Sometime Never... (novel)|Sometimes Never...]]'', ''[[The Deadstone Memorial (novel)|The Deadstone Memorial]]'' and ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'') novels endeavoured to prequelise ''Sream of the Shalka'', treating it as a valid [[possible future]] for the present-day of the [[Eighth Doctor]], by describing the Master's "echo" in the TARDIS as physically resembling the animated [[The Master (Scream of the Shalka)|"Android" Master]]. The last two are particularly noteworthy because they ''postdate'' the announcement of [[Christopher Eccleston]]'s [[Ninth Doctor]] ([[2 April (releases)|2 April]] [[2004 (releases)|2004]]! In [[DWM 336]], [[Justin Richards]] explicitly confirmed his intent for the 'Echo' Master to link up to the 'Shalka' Master. | ||
*Also in ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'', [[Marnal]] remarks on the Doctor having "three ninth incarnations". This is a reference to the ''Curse of Fatal Death'' Ninth Doctor, the ''Shalka'' Doctor, and of course the mainstream Eccleston Ninth Doctor. (Unlike the similar, but more contentious reference in ''[[The Tomorrow Windows (novel)|The Tomorow Windows]]'', there is nothing to contradict the idea that [[Lance Parkin]] | *Also in ''[[The Gallifrey Chronicles (novel)|The Gallifrey Chronicles]]'', [[Marnal]] remarks on the Doctor having "three ninth incarnations". This is a reference to the ''Curse of Fatal Death'' Ninth Doctor, the ''Shalka'' Doctor, and of course the mainstream Eccleston Ninth Doctor. (Unlike the similar, but more contentious reference in ''[[The Tomorrow Windows (novel)|The Tomorow Windows]]'', there is nothing to contradict the idea that [[Lance Parkin]] intentionally means to depict three intertwined futures here.) | ||
*As recently as [[2017 (releases)|2017]], a mainline BBC Books release, ''[[A Brief History of Time Lords (novel)|A Breif History of Time Lords]]'', alluded to the idea of the Master being built an android body by the Doctor after the TV Movie as one of the "rumours" floating around on [[Gallifrey]] about what happened to him after the TV Movie. | *As recently as [[2017 (releases)|2017]], a mainline BBC Books release, ''[[A Brief History of Time Lords (novel)|A Breif History of Time Lords]]'', alluded to the idea of the Master being built an android body by the Doctor after the TV Movie as one of the "rumours" floating around on [[Gallifrey]] about what happened to him after the TV Movie. | ||
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{{quote|So here we are in the company of the undead once more. Just how did we come to write for vampires in the [[DWU|''Doctor Who'' universe]] yet again?|Scott & Wright}} | {{quote|So here we are in the company of the undead once more. Just how did we come to write for vampires in the [[DWU|''Doctor Who'' universe]] yet again?|Scott & Wright}} | ||
That's right — ''The Feast of the Stone'' is a frankly extremely rare case of a story which so explicitly passes [[T:VS#Rule 4|Rule 4]] that it came pre-packaged with an authorial quote explicitly saying it's "in the ''Doctor Who'' universe"! Honestly, whatever Shalka's status, and counterintuitive as it would seem, ''I think an argument can be mounted that ''The Feast of the Stone'' ought to pass Rule 4 ''on its own merits'', like all the "Sequels to Invalid Stories" discussed in the thread of that name. (It could then, weirdly enough, be used as an example of Rule 4 By Proxy to validate the original ''Shalka'', hilariously!)'' | That's right — ''The Feast of the Stone'' is a frankly extremely rare case of a story which so explicitly passes [[T:VS#Rule 4|Rule 4]] that it came pre-packaged with an authorial quote explicitly saying it's "in the ''Doctor Who'' universe"! Honestly, whatever Shalka's status, and counterintuitive as it would seem, '''I think an argument can be mounted that ''The Feast of the Stone'' ought to pass Rule 4 ''on its own merits'', like all the "Sequels to Invalid Stories" discussed in the thread of that name. (It could then, weirdly enough, be used as an example of Rule 4 By Proxy to validate the original ''Shalka'', hilariously!)''' | ||
But that's not all: Scott and Wright speak effusively about how lucky they are to contribute to the growing "mythos" of the "new Doctor", [[Richard E Grant]]. No Ecclestons here; no question of this being a side-step into an alternative or non-canonical universe, an already-cancelled might-have-been. | But that's not all: Scott and Wright speak effusively about how lucky they are to contribute to the growing "mythos" of the "new Doctor", [[Richard E Grant]]. No Ecclestons here; no question of this being a side-step into an alternative or non-canonical universe, an already-cancelled might-have-been. | ||
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So! I hope we can all come to an agreement and iron out any wrinkles. [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc|Cousin Ettolrhc]] [[User talk:Cousin Ettolrhc|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC) | So! I hope we can all come to an agreement and iron out any wrinkles. [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc|Cousin Ettolrhc]] [[User talk:Cousin Ettolrhc|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
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