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* ''[[The End of the World (TV story)|The End of the World]]'' (2005), set before ''[[Aliens of London (TV story)|Aliens of London]]'' (2005) from the [[Ninth Doctor]] and [[Rose Tyler]]'s perspective, places [[Rose Tyler]]'s present 10,000 years before the year [[12005|12,005]], which would be [[2005]]. | * ''[[The End of the World (TV story)|The End of the World]]'' (2005), set before ''[[Aliens of London (TV story)|Aliens of London]]'' (2005) from the [[Ninth Doctor]] and [[Rose Tyler]]'s perspective, places [[Rose Tyler]]'s present 10,000 years before the year [[12005|12,005]], which would be [[2005]]. | ||
* ''Aliens of London'', set twelve months after ''[[Rose (TV story)|Rose]]'' (2005), places Rose's disappearance in ''Rose'' on [[6 March]] 2005. In ''[[Love & Monsters (TV story)|Love & Monsters]]'', Elton Pope recalls, "twelve months later," referring to twelve months having passed since the [[Auton]] invasion in ''Rose'', "I'm back in town. I'm up west, looking for a new suit, something nice and smart - when I hear this plane overhead" and we see the Slitheen Spaceship crash into Big Ben, as it does in the episode, thus backing up the notion that Rose disappeared on 6 March 2005. | * ''Aliens of London'', set twelve months after ''[[Rose (TV story)|Rose]]'' (2005), places Rose's disappearance in ''Rose'' on [[6 March]] 2005. In ''[[Love & Monsters (TV story)|Love & Monsters]]'', Elton Pope recalls, "twelve months later," referring to twelve months having passed since the [[Auton]] invasion in ''Rose'', "I'm back in town. I'm up west, looking for a new suit, something nice and smart - when I hear this plane overhead" and we see the Slitheen Spaceship crash into Big Ben, as it does in the episode, thus backing up the notion that Rose disappeared on 6 March 2005. | ||
* In ''[[School Reunion (TV story)|School Reunion]]'' (2006), [[Sarah Jane Smith]] describes the [[Sycorax spaceship]] from ''[[The Christmas Invasion (TV story)|The Christmas Invasion]]'' (2005) as "this [[Christmas]] just gone". [[Mickey Smith]] begins travelling with the [[Tenth Doctor]] at the end of the episode. Following this, in ''[[The Age of Steel (TV story)|The Age of Steel]]'' (2006), the Doctor informs [[Jackie Tyler]] that Mickey has "gone home", referring to [[Pete's World|the parallel Earth]]. ''[[Love & Monsters (TV story)|Love & Monsters]]'' (2006) is explicitly two years after the Auton invasion in ''Rose''. Jackie is still living in [[London]], placing the episode some time before ''[[Army of Ghosts (TV story)|Army of Ghosts]]'' (2006). Jackie also mentions Mickey as "gone" now, placing the story after ''School Reunion''. All of this appears to place ''The Christmas Invasion'' in [[2006]] and ''School Reunion'', ''Love & Monsters'' and ''Army of Ghosts'' in [[2007]]. | * In ''[[School Reunion (TV story)|School Reunion]]'' (2006), [[Sarah Jane Smith]] describes the [[Sycorax spaceship]] from ''[[The Christmas Invasion (TV story)|The Christmas Invasion]]'' (2005) as "this [[Christmas]] just gone". [[Mickey Smith]] begins travelling with the [[Tenth Doctor]] at the end of the episode. Following this, in ''[[The Age of Steel (TV story)|The Age of Steel]]'' (2006), the Doctor informs [[Jackie Tyler]] that Mickey has "gone home", referring to [[Pete's World|the parallel Earth]]. ''[[Love & Monsters (TV story)|Love & Monsters]]'' (2006) is explicitly two years after the Auton invasion in ''Rose''. Jackie is still living in [[London]], placing the episode some time before ''[[Army of Ghosts (TV story)|Army of Ghosts]]'' (2006). Jackie also mentions Mickey as "gone" now, placing the story after ''School Reunion''. All of this appears to place ''The Christmas Invasion'' in [[2006]] and ''School Reunion'', ''Love & Monsters'' and ''Army of Ghosts'' in [[2007]]. | ||
* In ''The Age of Steel'', [[the Preachers]], a team of fugitives, own a van with a tax disc due to expire in 2006.<ref group="note">Though the parallel Earth the Preachers are from runs ahead of the normal Earth in later stories, in ''[[Rise of the Cybermen (TV story)|Rise of the Cybermen]]'' (2006), the episode before ''The Age of Steel'', Mickey reads a newspaper dated to [[1 February]] of "this year".</ref> | * In ''The Age of Steel'', [[the Preachers]], a team of fugitives, own a van with a tax disc due to expire in 2006.<ref group="note">Though the parallel Earth the Preachers are from runs ahead of the normal Earth in later stories, in ''[[Rise of the Cybermen (TV story)|Rise of the Cybermen]]'' (2006), the episode before ''The Age of Steel'', Mickey reads a newspaper dated to [[1 February]] of "this year".</ref> | ||
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* In ''[[Adrift (TV story)|Adrift]]'' (2008), [[Jonah Bevan]], born [[15 February]] [[1993]], is described as 15 years old by Gwen, which would set the episode between 15 February 2008 and 14 February 2009. The first meeting of the missing persons support group [[Searchlight (group)|Searchlight]] is held on a Monday 27th of an undisclosed month. The only Monday 27th between these dates is on 27 October 2008. | * In ''[[Adrift (TV story)|Adrift]]'' (2008), [[Jonah Bevan]], born [[15 February]] [[1993]], is described as 15 years old by Gwen, which would set the episode between 15 February 2008 and 14 February 2009. The first meeting of the missing persons support group [[Searchlight (group)|Searchlight]] is held on a Monday 27th of an undisclosed month. The only Monday 27th between these dates is on 27 October 2008. | ||
* In ''[[Exit Wounds (TV story)|Exit Wounds]]'' (2008), Toshiko mentions that she covered for Owen as a medic on Owen's second week in Torchwood during the examination of the [[space pig]] from ''[[Aliens of London (TV story)|Aliens of London]]'' (2005). ''[[Fragments (TV story)|Fragments]]'' (2008), set immediately before ''Exit Wounds'', places Owen's recruitment to Torchwood as taking place four years ago, and Toshiko's recruitment, or at least her imprisonment prior to being recruited, as five years ago. This apparently puts ''Fragments'' and ''Exit Wounds'' in [[2010]], and Toshiko's imprisonment in 2005. However, ''Exit Wounds'' also has Jack telling the Torchwood from [[1901]] to freeze him for 107 years to allow him to get back to [[Gray (Fragments)|Gray]], placing those two stories in 2008, Owen's recruitment in 2004, and Toshiko's imprisonment in 2003. | * In ''[[Exit Wounds (TV story)|Exit Wounds]]'' (2008), Toshiko mentions that she covered for Owen as a medic on Owen's second week in Torchwood during the examination of the [[space pig]] from ''[[Aliens of London (TV story)|Aliens of London]]'' (2005). ''[[Fragments (TV story)|Fragments]]'' (2008), set immediately before ''Exit Wounds'', places Owen's recruitment to Torchwood as taking place four years ago, and Toshiko's recruitment, or at least her imprisonment prior to being recruited, as five years ago. This apparently puts ''Fragments'' and ''Exit Wounds'' in [[2010]], and Toshiko's imprisonment in 2005. However, ''Exit Wounds'' also has Jack telling the Torchwood from [[1901]] to freeze him for 107 years to allow him to get back to [[Gray (Fragments)|Gray]], placing those two stories in 2008, Owen's recruitment in 2004, and Toshiko's imprisonment in 2003. | ||
** Owen's personnel file in ''Exit Wounds'' gives his date of birth as [[14 February]] [[1980]]. ''[[Dead Man Walking (TV story)|Dead Man Walking]]'' (2008) states that Owen was 27 when he first died at the end of ''Reset'', placing ''Reset'' between 14 February 2007 and 13 February 2008. While this largely overlaps with the previous possible date of death of Meredith Roberts from ''Reset'', it is still impossible to reconcile with Tommy Brockless being revived on at least 7 February 2008 in ''To the Last Man'', which is ''after'' what would have been Meredith's 46th birthday on 11 January 2008. | ** Owen's personnel file in ''Exit Wounds'' gives his date of birth as [[14 February]] [[1980]]. ''[[Dead Man Walking (TV story)|Dead Man Walking]]'' (2008) states that Owen was 27 when he first died at the end of ''Reset'', placing ''Reset'' between 14 February 2007 and 13 February 2008. While this largely overlaps with the previous possible date of death of Meredith Roberts from ''Reset'', it is still impossible to reconcile with Tommy Brockless being revived on at least 7 February 2008 in ''To the Last Man'', which is ''after'' what would have been Meredith's 46th birthday on 11 January 2008. | ||
* According to Gwen's [[Central Intelligence Agency|CIA]] file in ''[[The New World (TV story)|The New World]]'' (2011), Gwen joined Torchwood (which happened in the 2006 episode ''[[Everything Changes (TV story)|Everything Changes]]'') in [[October]] 2006. This would mean ''[[They Keep Killing Suzie (TV story)|They Keep Killing Suzie]]'' (2006), which directly places itself three months after ''Everything Changes'', takes place in [[January]] 2007. This clashes with the apparent 2006 setting of ''Random Shoes'', the episode immediately following ''They Keep Killing Suzie'', as well as the Christmas setting of ''Out of Time'', just two episodes after ''They Keep Killing Suzie'', and the implied December 2007 setting of ''Ghost Machine'', five episodes ''before They Keep Killing Suzie''. | * According to Gwen's [[Central Intelligence Agency|CIA]] file in ''[[The New World (TV story)|The New World]]'' (2011), Gwen joined Torchwood (which happened in the 2006 episode ''[[Everything Changes (TV story)|Everything Changes]]'') in [[October]] 2006. This would mean ''[[They Keep Killing Suzie (TV story)|They Keep Killing Suzie]]'' (2006), which directly places itself three months after ''Everything Changes'', takes place in [[January]] 2007. This clashes with the apparent 2006 setting of ''Random Shoes'', the episode immediately following ''They Keep Killing Suzie'', as well as the Christmas setting of ''Out of Time'', just two episodes after ''They Keep Killing Suzie'', and the implied December 2007 setting of ''Ghost Machine'', five episodes ''before They Keep Killing Suzie''. | ||
** The setting of ''To the Last Man'' is the first annual defrosting of Tommy Brockless which Gwen is present for, and the earliest possible date for that episode is February 2008, at least 16 months after the joining date given in ''The New World''{{'}}s file. If it is set on 20 June, the only Friday the 20th of that year in the real world, then the episode is 20 months after Gwen's first day according to ''The New World''{{'}}s file. | ** The setting of ''To the Last Man'' is the first annual defrosting of Tommy Brockless which Gwen is present for, and the earliest possible date for that episode is February 2008, at least 16 months after the joining date given in ''The New World''{{'}}s file. If it is set on 20 June, the only Friday the 20th of that year in the real world, then the episode is 20 months after Gwen's first day according to ''The New World''{{'}}s file. | ||
* The ''[[Torchwood Magazine]]'' short story ''[[Happy New Year (short story)|Happy New Year]]'' has Torchwood celebrate [[New Year's Eve]] between ''Exit Wounds'' and ''[[Children of Earth: Day One (TV story)|Children of Earth: Day One]]'' (2009). | * The ''[[Torchwood Magazine]]'' short story ''[[Happy New Year (short story)|Happy New Year]]'' has Torchwood celebrate [[New Year's Eve]] between ''Exit Wounds'' and ''[[Children of Earth: Day One (TV story)|Children of Earth: Day One]]'' (2009). | ||
* The [[Big Finish]] audio story ''[[Outbreak (audio story)|Outbreak]]'' (2016), which takes place between ''Exit Wounds'' and ''Children of Earth: Day One'', makes explicitly clear, through extensive dialogue, that it is set in 2009. | * The [[Big Finish]] audio story ''[[Outbreak (audio story)|Outbreak]]'' (2016), which takes place between ''Exit Wounds'' and ''Children of Earth: Day One'', makes explicitly clear, through extensive dialogue, that it is set in 2009. | ||
*The Big Finish audio story ''[[Dissected (audio story)|Dissected]]'' (2020), which takes place between ''Journey’s End'' and ''Children of Earth: Day One'', refers to a recent Torchwood Christmas party that Martha missed owing to the breakdown of her engagement with [[Thomas Milligan]], an engagement first mentioned in the 2008 ''Doctor Who'' episode ''[[The Sontaran Stratagem (TV story)|The Sontaran Stratagem]]''. In ''Children of Earth: Day One'', Gwen explains Martha's absence from the events of ''Children of Earth'' is due to her being on honeymoon, though it is not stated at the time if Martha married Thomas or [[Mickey Smith]] (who is revealed to be Martha's husband in ''Doctor Who''{{'}}s ''[[The End of Time (TV story)|The End of Time]]'' Part Two in 2010). | * The Big Finish audio story ''[[Dissected (audio story)|Dissected]]'' (2020), which takes place between ''Journey’s End'' and ''Children of Earth: Day One'', refers to a recent Torchwood Christmas party that Martha missed owing to the breakdown of her engagement with [[Thomas Milligan]], an engagement first mentioned in the 2008 ''Doctor Who'' episode ''[[The Sontaran Stratagem (TV story)|The Sontaran Stratagem]]''. In ''Children of Earth: Day One'', Gwen explains Martha's absence from the events of ''Children of Earth'' is due to her being on honeymoon, though it is not stated at the time if Martha married Thomas or [[Mickey Smith]] (who is revealed to be Martha's husband in ''Doctor Who''{{'}}s ''[[The End of Time (TV story)|The End of Time]]'' Part Two in 2010). | ||
=== ''The Sarah Jane Adventures'' === | === ''The Sarah Jane Adventures'' === | ||
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** Luke is now officially "fourteen" years old. | ** Luke is now officially "fourteen" years old. | ||
* In ''[[Eye of the Gorgon (TV story)|Eye of the Gorgon]]'' (2007), Alan tells Chrissie that she took their home apart "six months ago", setting this story at most that long since ''Invasion of the Bane''. | * In ''[[Eye of the Gorgon (TV story)|Eye of the Gorgon]]'' (2007), Alan tells Chrissie that she took their home apart "six months ago", setting this story at most that long since ''Invasion of the Bane''. | ||
*In ''[[The Lost Boy (TV story)|The Lost Boy]]'' (2007), "[[Jay Stafford]]" claims that "[[Ashley Stafford]]", actually Luke, has been missing for five months, setting this story at least that long since ''Invasion of the Bane''. | * In ''[[The Lost Boy (TV story)|The Lost Boy]]'' (2007), "[[Jay Stafford]]" claims that "[[Ashley Stafford]]", actually Luke, has been missing for five months, setting this story at least that long since ''Invasion of the Bane''. | ||
**[[Maria Jackson]] is fourteen years old by this story. | ** [[Maria Jackson]] is fourteen years old by this story. | ||
**Sarah Jane recalls that Mr Smith appeared "eighteen months ago", setting this story at least that long since ''School Reunion'' and no more than that long since ''Invasion of the Bane''. | ** Sarah Jane recalls that Mr Smith appeared "eighteen months ago", setting this story at least that long since ''School Reunion'' and no more than that long since ''Invasion of the Bane''. | ||
*''[[The Last Sontaran (TV story)|The Last Sontaran]]'' (2008) recalls the events of ''Doctor Who''{{'}}s ''[[The Poison Sky (TV story)|The Poison Sky]]'' (2008). | * ''[[The Last Sontaran (TV story)|The Last Sontaran]]'' (2008) recalls the events of ''Doctor Who''{{'}}s ''[[The Poison Sky (TV story)|The Poison Sky]]'' (2008). | ||
**The epilogue of ''The Last Sontaran'' takes place "Six Weeks Later", when Maria and her [[father]] leave the UK for the US, placing the story after both the Sontaran invasion in ''The Poison Sky'' and the Dalek invasion of ''Doctor Who''{{'}}s ''[[The Stolen Earth (TV story)|The Stolen Earth]]'' and ''[[Journey's End (TV story)|Journey's End]]'' (both 2008), where Maria is still in the UK. | ** The epilogue of ''The Last Sontaran'' takes place "Six Weeks Later", when Maria and her [[father]] leave the UK for the US, placing the story after both the Sontaran invasion in ''The Poison Sky'' and the Dalek invasion of ''Doctor Who''{{'}}s ''[[The Stolen Earth (TV story)|The Stolen Earth]]'' and ''[[Journey's End (TV story)|Journey's End]]'' (both 2008), where Maria is still in the UK. | ||
*''[[The Day of the Clown (TV story)|The Day of the Clown]]'' (2008) takes place a "while" since the disappearance of Park Vale [[headmaster]] [[Greg Blakeman]], from ''Revenge of the Slitheen'', introducing new headmaster [[Haresh Chandra]], who observes that Luke has shown impressive results over the "past year". | * ''[[The Day of the Clown (TV story)|The Day of the Clown]]'' (2008) takes place a "while" since the disappearance of Park Vale [[headmaster]] [[Greg Blakeman]], from ''Revenge of the Slitheen'', introducing new headmaster [[Haresh Chandra]], who observes that Luke has shown impressive results over the "past year". | ||
*By ''[[The Mark of the Berserker (TV story)|The Mark of the Berserker]]'' (2008), Clyde identifies as being fifteen years old. | * By ''[[The Mark of the Berserker (TV story)|The Mark of the Berserker]]'' (2008), Clyde identifies as being fifteen years old. | ||
*In ''[[The Mad Woman in the Attic (TV story)|The Mad Woman in the Attic]]'' (2009), [[Samuel Lloyd]] was born on [[23 June]] [[1994]], and is 15, placing the story between 23 June 2009 and 22 June 2010. | * In ''[[The Mad Woman in the Attic (TV story)|The Mad Woman in the Attic]]'' (2009), [[Samuel Lloyd]] was born on [[23 June]] [[1994]], and is 15, placing the story between 23 June 2009 and 22 June 2010. | ||
*By ''[[Mona Lisa's Revenge (TV story)|Mona Lisa's Revenge]]'' (2009), Luke and Clyde are in form [[11T]]. | * By ''[[Mona Lisa's Revenge (TV story)|Mona Lisa's Revenge]]'' (2009), Luke and Clyde are in form [[11T]]. | ||
*By ''[[The Gift (TV story)|The Gift]]'' (2009), Luke is [[age]]d "fifteen", placing it within a year of the ''Doctor Who'' story ''Journey's End'' (with conflicting instory dating as above), where Sarah Jane describes Luke as "only fourteen". | * By ''[[The Gift (TV story)|The Gift]]'' (2009), Luke is [[age]]d "fifteen", placing it within a year of the ''Doctor Who'' story ''Journey's End'' (with conflicting instory dating as above), where Sarah Jane describes Luke as "only fourteen". | ||
*''[[The Nightmare Man (TV story)|The Nightmare Man]]'' (2010) is primarily set on the week of [[6 September|6]]-[[10 September]] [[2010]], with Luke beginning his packing for the [[University of Oxford]] on the 6th, and leaving on the 10th. It establishes that, shortly after entering [[sixth form]], Luke Smith decides to take his [[A-levels]] in [[June]] as per Mr Chandra's suggestion, which enables him to get into Oxford a year early, ie in the 2010-11 academic year. This suggests that Clyde and Rani are now in year 13, and Luke and Clyde were in form 10B before the autumn of 2008. | * ''[[The Nightmare Man (TV story)|The Nightmare Man]]'' (2010) is primarily set on the week of [[6 September|6]]-[[10 September]] [[2010]], with Luke beginning his packing for the [[University of Oxford]] on the 6th, and leaving on the 10th. It establishes that, shortly after entering [[sixth form]], Luke Smith decides to take his [[A-levels]] in [[June]] as per Mr Chandra's suggestion, which enables him to get into Oxford a year early, ie in the 2010-11 academic year. This suggests that Clyde and Rani are now in year 13, and Luke and Clyde were in form 10B before the autumn of 2008. | ||
*In ''[[Death of the Doctor (TV story)|Death of the Doctor]]'' (2010), Sarah Jane tells [[Jo Jones]] that she reunited with [[the Doctor]] "about four years ago", alluding to the events of ''School Reunion'', which according to that episode and contemporary stories was set in 2007, either suggesting a 2011 setting of ''Death of the Doctor'' or retroactively putting ''School Reunion'' in 2006. | * In ''[[Death of the Doctor (TV story)|Death of the Doctor]]'' (2010), Sarah Jane tells [[Jo Jones]] that she reunited with [[the Doctor]] "about four years ago", alluding to the events of ''School Reunion'', which according to that episode and contemporary stories was set in 2007, either suggesting a 2011 setting of ''Death of the Doctor'' or retroactively putting ''School Reunion'' in 2006. | ||
* In ''[[Lost in Time (TV story)|Lost in Time]]'' (2010), Sarah Jane shows [[Emily Morris]] a clipping of a [[newspaper]] from [[23 November]] 2010 to prove she is from Emily's future. | * In ''[[Lost in Time (TV story)|Lost in Time]]'' (2010), Sarah Jane shows [[Emily Morris]] a clipping of a [[newspaper]] from [[23 November]] 2010 to prove she is from Emily's future. | ||
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* ''[[Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe (short story)|Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe]]'' dates the events of both ''Army of Ghosts''/''Doomsday'' and ''The Stolen Earth''/''Journey's End'' to [[2009]], despite the stories being separated by two successive [[Christmas special]]s. | * ''[[Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe (short story)|Dalek: The Astounding Untold History of the Greatest Enemies of the Universe]]'' dates the events of both ''Army of Ghosts''/''Doomsday'' and ''The Stolen Earth''/''Journey's End'' to [[2009]], despite the stories being separated by two successive [[Christmas special]]s. | ||
==Notes== | == Notes == | ||
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[[Category:Fan terminology]] | [[Category:Fan terminology]] | ||
