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This is my theory on to how the Series will span out... | This is my theory on to how the Series will span out... | ||
Since the Doctor shut the cracks up for a bit he needs to work out what's causing them, He thinks amy getting married has something to do with it so he runs away with amy and rory and takes them traveling for a bit until he works it out. He goes to Venice and meets vampires, then an entity called the Dream Lord somehow traps amy in a dream like trance making her think she's pregnant and she has to break out of the dream. Then the Doctor, amy an rory meet the silurians on 2015 then rory leaves. Th doctor and amy then meet vincent van gogh and help him fight off a yellow monster. Amy then gets taken away in the tardis and the doctor must stay on earth like a human until she catches up with him In time. Then the finale: the doctor and amy return to the day of amy's wedding day and meets River Song and battle the so called thing 'Pandorica'. | Since the Doctor shut the cracks up for a bit he needs to work out what's causing them, He thinks amy getting married has something to do with it so he runs away with amy and rory and takes them traveling for a bit until he works it out. He goes to Venice and meets vampires, then an entity called the Dream Lord somehow traps amy in a dream like trance making her think she's pregnant and she has to break out of the dream. Then the Doctor, amy an rory meet the silurians on 2015 then rory leaves. Th doctor and amy then meet vincent van gogh and help him fight off a yellow monster. Amy then gets taken away in the tardis and the doctor must stay on earth like a human until she catches up with him In time. Then the finale: the doctor and amy return to the day of amy's wedding day and meets River Song and battle the so called thing 'Pandorica'. | ||
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:As for the duck pond, yeah, I think the line in Flesh and Stone implies that the ducks were erased from history, just like the Davros Daleks and the Victorian Cyberking. It's possible that this will be true but not all that important (the Silent Menace opens the Pandorica and starts throwing enemies pulled out of time at the Doctor--a Cyberking, an army of Daleks, some ducks, a Sontaran battle fleet...), but it doesn't seem likely that there's no connection at all. The Doctor missed things all the time--especially the 11th--but he rarely figures something out and then turns out to be completely wrong. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 13:27, May 6, 2010 (UTC) | :As for the duck pond, yeah, I think the line in Flesh and Stone implies that the ducks were erased from history, just like the Davros Daleks and the Victorian Cyberking. It's possible that this will be true but not all that important (the Silent Menace opens the Pandorica and starts throwing enemies pulled out of time at the Doctor--a Cyberking, an army of Daleks, some ducks, a Sontaran battle fleet...), but it doesn't seem likely that there's no connection at all. The Doctor missed things all the time--especially the 11th--but he rarely figures something out and then turns out to be completely wrong. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 13:27, May 6, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:*I'm curious as to what extent you all think the events in 2009 will have on this series. I haven't been able to watch the 1st 3 of the 2009 specials but it seems to me the Doctor went a bit crazy with his time changing (especially on Mars). Do you think that this might have caused the time cracks? I can't remember which events the Doctor has specifically mentioned Amy as having forgotten, but I have a feeling that they all involved some major event of time erasure in and around their occurrance. The whole of humanity lost an entire year when the Master became prime minister--what year would they have lost--2008 or 2009? I read somewhere about the years not being congruent to our own which would make an episode airing in 2007 as having happened to them in 2008, but I'm probably mistaken. There's been a lot of mentioning about holes and cracks in space throughout the new series and according to all the theoretical physics I've come across (including a lot of sci-fi) traveling through space/time requires ripping the time/space continuoum apart and putting it back to gether again which I would think would necessitate the leaving of weak spots and cracks ready to be opened again. But then, maybe I'm still to close to the 9th and 10th Doctors who seemed so sure that *everything* was their (his?) own fault. | |||
:::Yeah, it's possible that the Doctor broke time. Or that his little changes pushed it closer to the edge, so some trivial thing at Amy's wedding could be the straw that broke the camel's back. (That would completely destroy my pet theory of how Moffat views time travel, but that's OK.) In [[Father's Day]], time was only broken locally, so the Reapers would have been able to "sterilize" it. But if time was broken a little bit here and there and everywhere, that might have be too much for them. Who knows? | :::Yeah, it's possible that the Doctor broke time. Or that his little changes pushed it closer to the edge, so some trivial thing at Amy's wedding could be the straw that broke the camel's back. (That would completely destroy my pet theory of how Moffat views time travel, but that's OK.) In [[Father's Day (TV story)|Father's Day]], time was only broken locally, so the Reapers would have been able to "sterilize" it. But if time was broken a little bit here and there and everywhere, that might have be too much for them. Who knows? | ||
:::You're right about the show being ahead of our world by a year (starting from when the 9th Doctor brought Rose home a year late)--the 2007 episodes took place in 2008. So, [[Last of the Time Lords]] (the series 3 finale, where the Master became PM, which aired in 2007) starts off in 2008, goes for a year into 2009, and then that whole year is undone, leaving the show back in 2008. The year ahead thing was fixed when the 2009 specials took place later in the same year (2009) as 2008's series 4. | :::You're right about the show being ahead of our world by a year (starting from when the 9th Doctor brought Rose home a year late)--the 2007 episodes took place in 2008. So, [[Last of the Time Lords (TV story)|Last of the Time Lords]] (the series 3 finale, where the Master became PM, which aired in 2007) starts off in 2008, goes for a year into 2009, and then that whole year is undone, leaving the show back in 2008. The year ahead thing was fixed when the 2009 specials took place later in the same year (2009) as 2008's series 4. | ||
:::The TARDIS travels through time by leaving the normal universe and going into the Time Vortex, flying there for a bit, then coming back into the normal universe. More like hyperspace than like a wormhole. So, I don't think time travel in general is likely to break the Whoniverse. But creating paradoxes or making things "wrong" might, as you started out suggesting. | :::The TARDIS travels through time by leaving the normal universe and going into the Time Vortex, flying there for a bit, then coming back into the normal universe. More like hyperspace than like a wormhole. So, I don't think time travel in general is likely to break the Whoniverse. But creating paradoxes or making things "wrong" might, as you started out suggesting. | ||
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:::I am not sure who the big bads will be in season five. The Daleks have been set up to return but i think its probably gonna be a evolution of the daleks journeys end type of a thing where we wont see what happens with the daleks for a year. Then again remember it has been a part of their history amy dosent remember, and after he mentioned that she should remember the daleks we saw the crack appearing in the wall, hinting they could be back, however as has been pointed out the cybermen were sucked back into the vortex at the end of the next doctor so at the very least they could be coming back through the cracks in time we keep seeing. I don't that it is the sonatrons that will be the big bads, it could be but they dont really have a link to whats going on. Winehousefan 22:24 may 7 2010 | :::I am not sure who the big bads will be in season five. The Daleks have been set up to return but i think its probably gonna be a evolution of the daleks journeys end type of a thing where we wont see what happens with the daleks for a year. Then again remember it has been a part of their history amy dosent remember, and after he mentioned that she should remember the daleks we saw the crack appearing in the wall, hinting they could be back, however as has been pointed out the cybermen were sucked back into the vortex at the end of the next doctor so at the very least they could be coming back through the cracks in time we keep seeing. I don't that it is the sonatrons that will be the big bads, it could be but they dont really have a link to whats going on. Winehousefan 22:24 may 7 2010 | ||
::::I think the Daleks will return, especially after the Nick Briggs interview I posted about elsewhere. | |||
::::I'm not sure who (or what?) the big bad will be, but I think all of the other enemies will be almost incidental. They all got pulled out of time, and maybe the Doctor will have to face them (kind of like [[The Five Doctors (TV story)|The Five Doctors]]), but either way, they won't be restored to time afterward. | |||
::::And here's who I predict will be pulled out of time: | |||
::::* The last of the RTDaleks, from [[Journey's End]]. | |||
::::* The last of the Cybusmen in our universe, from [[The Next Doctor]]. | |||
::::* The Sontarans behind ATMOS, from [[The Sontaran Stratagem]]. | |||
::::* The branch of the Slitheen family from [[Aliens of London]]. | |||
::::* Any other aliens/monsters that I've forgotten from both the RTD or classic series who became common knowledge before 2010 (except maybe the Loch Ness Monster, which Moff may just ignore). | |||
::::* The ducks from the duck pond from [[The Eleventh Hour]]. | |||
::::Why? | |||
::::* Post-2010, nobody on Earth (other than the Torchwood/UNIT/etc. inner circle and a handful of past companions and other time travelers) knows about aliens. A clever way to get back to the old days where alien invasions were a big deal rather "sigh, another one?", without having to undo the entire RTD era. | |||
::::* It fixes the continuity errors with people from the near future (everyone from Henry van Statten to Zoe Heriot) not knowing about the Daleks--because they never invaded (well, until 2164, but whoever's running the show in the 2160s can deal with that). | |||
::::* The RTDaleks are gone for good, leaving only Moff's old-is-new VotD Daleks (who will appear again in season fnarg+1). | |||
::::* The Cybusmen are locked away in Pete's World for good, leaving only the Mondasians if anyone wants to write a Cyberman story. | |||
::::* There are still plenty of other Sontaran battle fleets out there, so they can reappear whenever necessary. | |||
::::* There are still plenty more Slitheen (and other Raxicofallipatorians) for RTD to play with in SJA. | |||
::::And I think these are all things that Moff wants to pull off. | |||
::::Or is that just wishful thinking? --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 23:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::It would be cool if moffat tried to pull all that off, but i dont think he will. RTD was more fond of doing those cool comic booky all the villains meeting type of stories, than steven moffat, its not really his style. Then again he may want to seriously try and top journeys end, how do you do a bigger season finale than all of creation in danger, have all the the villains in it and have history itself in danger. In the end you never know what forces may be behind the season finale. I recall reading that the new design of Daleks was actually forced on them by a toy company who wanted to sell more Dalek toys, with all the different colours. Myabe it will just be the cybermen again because BBC want to sell cybermen toys and they have forced moffat to include them, we could see some really amazing new cybermen variants. I still think that whatever it is for whatever reason Moffat will be able to do it well, I remember from when i was young he used to appear on lots of documentary's about the cyberman, he even wrote quite a funny review about tomb of the cybermen in DW magazine, he also seems quite fond of the peter davison era when the cyberman were huge, so he might want to make them the big bads this season, give them a chance at doing it on their own in the new series. Matt smith also apparently loves tomb of the cybermen so maybe they will be the big bads. Winehousefan 11:57,May 8 , 2010 [UTC] | |||
:::::Well, as I said, I don't think any of them will be the big bad, and I suspect they'll all be incidental. They could be in the way as "level monsters before the boss monster", like The Five Doctors. But not necessarily. They could even work with the Doctor, or just be cameos, flying into the white and disappearing. | |||
:::::If it were RTD, I know how it would end. After getting past all of them, The Doctor in a position to close the crack in spacetime, but for some contrived reason he can only restore one group to history, and the rest will be gone for good. Can he let the last of the Davros-RTDaleks die again, after blaming Meta-10 for killing them the first time? The last of the Cybusmen, an endangered species? Margaret Slitheen, who he agonized over way back when he was 9? An entire Sontaran battle fleet--sure, they're just clones, but there are more of them than anyone else? The ducks, so cute and helpless? The Master, who wasn't even in here a second ago? There's only 10 seconds to spare! After 3 minutes of agonizing and arguing, there's now only 9 seconds to spare! But then the powers of Bad Wolf Rose, DoctorDonna, and some super-Martha that he forgot to mention before all get sucked out of history and somehow enter Amy, making her even more powerful than the three of them together, and, glowing like a goddess, she fixes everything. And we'd all be sitting in our couches, trying to say, "Oh, come on, seriously?" but unable to help ourselves from grinning and cheering. | |||
:::::Or, if it were up to the fans, Davros would pull off his mask and reveal himself to be the Master, the Cyberking would be the Rani, General Strak would be Borusa, Margaret would be Romana, the ducks would all be Susan, and they'd all go out for milkshakes. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 12:53, May 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::Yeah RTD did use the deux es machine ending a couple of times, not saying he was a bad writer loved alot of his stuff, but i think that is a fair criticism. I always liked Martha I think its bit of a shame as you've pointed out that she was the only one who never got a cool super power. Jack became an immortal, Rose became Bad wolf and Donna got all the doctors knowledge, I hope Moffat dosen't follow RTD's pattern and make super Amy save the day, it will be too much to see the doctor bailed out at the last minute yet again, he keeps going on about how smart he is but he's been saved by some super variant of companion for a while now. Do you guys think Steven Moffat will follow RTD's pattern of making the companion the one to save the day completely, or do you think for the first time in years its gonna be the doctor who saves the day in the finale. Even in the end of time it was still the master who shoved the time lords back into the war, or hell. Winehousefan 14:25, May 8 2010 [UTC] | |||
::::::Personally, I loved that it was the Master who sent them back to hell, RTD ending his era with the Master redemption that was supposed to end the 3rd Doctor era if Roger Delgado hadn't died. And that's really the thing about RTD--you want to complain, "Oh god, did he really do that again?" but when you open your mouth to say that, what comes out is, "Oh wow, wow." And then you watch it again, and talk about it for days, and when you finally get over the coolness of it all, then you can start whining about the cheapness of it until you feel better about having been manipulated. :) | |||
::::::Anyway, I don't think Moffat will follow RTD's pattern. So far, he's exploring different ways that a companion can be used, all the way from helpless victim to parallel hero who solves one problem while the Doctor solves another, and I think he'll continue that. But my guess is that he wants to end his first season doing the one blindingly obvious thing that Doctor Who almost never pulls off: have the Doctor be the hero who saves the day, but with a crucial assist from his companion. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 13:46, May 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::It would be good to see the doctor save the day again, I have liked the season finales but when you think about it he really has been useless, in alot of them, in badwolf/parting of ways it was entirely rose who vanquished the daleks, in last of the time lords it took him a whole year to sort it out and in journey's end it was completely donna that saved the day, that was the one thing that really bothered me about journey's end, I mean dont dislike donna but undermining everyone Jack, Martha, Rose, sarah and the doctor for donna is a bit much, though its true at the time I just thought that it was so cool every reality was in danger. Personally I hope your right and he dosent follow RTD's pattern Journey's end was really thrilling [no matter how many times you watch it] but it would actually be interesting to see different types of companions though you never want one who is too much of a wimp like melanie bush. This is sort of off topic but do you guys think that the new series will ever kill off a companion like Adric. The old series did it very rarely but the new one might, I've read that Amy will be here until series 6 by that time two years on the show she and the doctor will be very close so they will have to give a very big reason for her not being there. I know in the old series companions were there for ages and left no big deal but it has always been quite a big deal in new who whenever a companion leaves, Jack is made immortal, Rose trapped in parrallel world Martha has to leave because she is in love with him, and Donna's memories are wiped, and at wto years Amy will have been there the longest since Rose.-Winehousefan 16:26 May 8 2010 [UTC] | |||
:::::::I like your take on having different types of companions. Hopefully after Moffat gets through exploring how much you can possibly get out of a single companion, he'll move on to that next. | |||
:::::::As for killing them off--well, as far as real deaths go, Adric is really the only recurring companion who ever died. Sara Kingdom, Lynda with a y, Astrid Peth, and Adelaide Brooke were one-shot companions, and Katarina (half of one story and half of the next) and Kamelion (theoretically there for a year, but neither seen nor mentioned during that time) might as well have been. Jack, River Song, and K-9 are recurring companions, but (for different reasons) they were alive and available to appear in the show after dying, so it doesn't really count. | |||
:::::::That being said, I think the classic show did a decent job dealing with Adric's death and how it affected Tegan and the Doctor, and even with Steven and the Doctor earlier. And the much more tightly-controlled modern show could do even better, but RTD never really tried it. So I think Moff will do it at some point. | |||
:::::::In fact, he might even make Rory a recurring companion this season and then kill him off at the end. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 17:52, May 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Yeah actually having just seen vampires in venice rory does look like he could be killed off . Back to series 5 plan just having seen vampires in venice I wonder if this silence is a big bad or just a name for an already well known villain like the darkness, as someone pointed out maybe the doctor will have to team up with the daleks cybermen and sontarans to stop this threat, cant wait to find outwhat these cracks are. Winehousefan19:01 May 8, 2010 [UTC] | |||
