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However, due to the policy's heavy emphasis on the burden of changing the tense on pages, this has led to the misconception that real-world pages for cast and crew are ''forbidden'' from using present tense. As a result, some of our cast and crew pages introduce their subjects with the format "[Actor] ''was'' a British actor" – implying that they've died! | However, due to the policy's heavy emphasis on the burden of changing the tense on pages, this has led to the misconception that real-world pages for cast and crew are ''forbidden'' from using present tense. As a result, some of our cast and crew pages introduce their subjects with the format "[Actor] ''was'' a British actor" – implying that they've died! | ||
[[T:OOU]] should be rewritten to emphasise that using past tense in a way that seemingly announces a real-world person's death is at least as undesirable a failure case as using present tense in a way that imposes on future editors. | [[T:OOU]] should be rewritten to emphasise that using past tense in a way that seemingly announces a real-world person's death is at least as undesirable a failure case as using present tense in a way that imposes on future editors. In cases where it absolutely cannot be avoided without creating an inaccuratei mplication, present tense should be allowed in real-world pages and in the real-world "behind the scenes" sections of in-universe pages. | ||
=== Future material === | === Future material === | ||
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However, due to policy and longstanding precedent regarding tenses, we continue to use past tense on all of these pages: for instance, "Series 14 ''was'' a series of Doctor Who", or "[REDACTED] ''portrayed'' the Fifteenth Doctor". Referring to future releases in this way is confusing at best and actively misleading at worst. | However, due to policy and longstanding precedent regarding tenses, we continue to use past tense on all of these pages: for instance, "Series 14 ''was'' a series of Doctor Who", or "[REDACTED] ''portrayed'' the Fifteenth Doctor". Referring to future releases in this way is confusing at best and actively misleading at worst. | ||
I propose that we change our rules to allow the use of future tense when referring to unreleased stories. The same applies to series pages: on [[Doctor Who]] we already begin the lead with "''Doctor Who'' is" rather than "''Doctor Who'' was", because it's an ongoing series with future releases. That said, we should continue to use past tense when referring to stories and series which are fully released. | |||
=== Present tense in leads === | === Present tense in leads === | ||
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We could resolve this awkwardness by allowing the use of present tense, ''only'' in the first sentence of an article, ''if and only if'' that sentence is the definition of a word present in dictionaries in the real world. This would allow us to come out and say that "Yellow is a colour" and "An arm is a body part", while still keeping the past tense in ''Doctor Who''-specific terms like [[time rift]]. | We could resolve this awkwardness by allowing the use of present tense, ''only'' in the first sentence of an article, ''if and only if'' that sentence is the definition of a word present in dictionaries in the real world. This would allow us to come out and say that "Yellow is a colour" and "An arm is a body part", while still keeping the past tense in ''Doctor Who''-specific terms like [[time rift]]. | ||
=== Real-world perspective in leads === | === Real-world perspective in leads === | ||
On Samsung's ''Doctor Who'' channel, the slideshow of Doctor incarnations gives three facts about each, the three facts that viewers are most likely to want to know. | |||
# Their incarnation number. | |||
# The actor name. | |||
# The years they were the main Doctor. | |||
And yet, this last key detail isn't findable anywhere on our incarnation pages! | |||
One flexible potential fix for this, and other similar situations where our in-universe coverage style prevents us from highlighting important real-world information about a major character or concept, would be to put a short out-of-universe box at the top of their pages, the space currently usually [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Third_Doctor?oldid=3464053 occupied by cleanup templates.] On [[Jo Grant]] it might say, | |||
<div class="tech>'''Jo Grant''' was portrayed by [[Katy Manning]] and was the [[Third Doctor]]'s main companion from ''[[Terror of the Autons (TV story)|Terror of the Autons]]'' in [[season 8]] ([[1971 (releases)|1971]]) to ''[[The Green Death (TV story)|The Green Death]]'' in [[season 10]] ([[1973 (releases)|1973]]).</div> | |||
I'm still workshopping this idea, but I mention it in this thread because, of course, it would require an exception to the past tense requirement on those pages in the case of actors who are ''currently'' portraying a character. Looking forward to feedback! – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 21:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Discussion == | |||
''to be added'' | |||
