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|firstNOCOV = w:c:memory-beta:Encounter at Farpoint{{!}}Star Trek: Encounter at Farpoint | |firstNOCOV = w:c:memory-beta:Encounter at Farpoint{{!}}Star Trek: Encounter at Farpoint | ||
|first mention = Syntax (short story) | |first mention = Syntax (short story) | ||
| | |only = Assimilation² (comic story) | ||
}}{{Infobox off-wiki first | }}{{Infobox off-wiki first | ||
|name = Jeff Tracy | |name = Jeff Tracy | ||
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However, I've now realized that this shift in rules actually might give us a chance to go even further with this. Basically, I am proposing the introduction of a new variable for infoboxes: | However, I've now realized that this shift in rules actually might give us a chance to go even further with this. Basically, I am proposing the introduction of a new variable for infoboxes: | ||
| | |firstNOCOV= | ||
So why would we ever need this? Well, the idea is that we specifically ''would only use this for characters and concepts which originated in non-DW stories'' | So why would we ever need this? Well, the idea is that we specifically ''would only use this for characters and concepts which originated in non-DW stories''. This would link to their actual origin story, while our first= variable would be used just for the earliest story on our wiki. | ||
So, [[Mickey Mouse]]'s first variable would link [[w:c:disney:Steamboat Willie]]. [[Jeff Tracy]]'s first variable would list [[w:c:Thunderbirds:Trapped in the Sky]]. (''obviously in each of these cases we'd hide the inter-wiki guts and gears, but I wanted you to be able to see how it works if you're not familiar'') | So, [[Mickey Mouse]]'s first NOCOV variable would link [[w:c:disney:Steamboat Willie]]. [[Jeff Tracy]]'s first variable would list [[w:c:Thunderbirds:Trapped in the Sky]]. (''obviously in each of these cases we'd hide the inter-wiki guts and gears, but I wanted you to be able to see how it works if you're not familiar'') | ||
There's a few notes about this idea. | |||
I think it should go without saying that we'd really only do this for franchised concepts. There's no need for, like, [[John Lennon]] to list [[w:c:Beatles:My Bonnie (EP)]] or for [[Globe Theatre]] to list {{wi|Julius Caesar (play)}} or whatever. | |||
I also don't think this should apply to ''Doctor Who'' concepts which have been retconned to being related to other franchises. Like, I know the novels in the 90s were all excited about constantly retconning that, uh, [[Kandyman]] is [[Cthulhu]] or whatever. But I would still list ''[[The Abominable Snowmen (TV story)|The Abominable Snowmen]]'' as the first appearance of the [[Great Intelligence]]. I would not list ''[[w:c:Lovecraft:The Case of Charles Dexter Ward]]''. But if the page for [[Yog-Sothoth]] had an infobox, sure you could list it there. | I also don't think this should apply to ''Doctor Who'' concepts which have been retconned to being related to other franchises. Like, I know the novels in the 90s were all excited about constantly retconning that, uh, [[Kandyman]] is [[Cthulhu]] or whatever. But I would still list ''[[The Abominable Snowmen (TV story)|The Abominable Snowmen]]'' as the first appearance of the [[Great Intelligence]]. I would not list ''[[w:c:Lovecraft:The Case of Charles Dexter Ward]]''. But if the page for [[Yog-Sothoth]] had an infobox, sure you could list it there. | ||
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|firstoffsite = <nowiki>''[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Wanted:_Galvatron_%E2%80%94_Dead_or_Alive! Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!]''</nowiki><br> | |firstoffsite = <nowiki>''[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Wanted:_Galvatron_%E2%80%94_Dead_or_Alive! Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!]''</nowiki><br> | ||
| | |first = The Crossroads of Time (comic story)<br> | ||
I also want to say, speaking to the topic at the start of this debate, that some people might actually want to move "first non-valid variable" to its own separate input. I'm against this by principle because I, quite cynically and honestly, view "valid" and "non-valid" as terms we made up that have no academic measurable weight. When someone says "Where did this character originate from?" and you say "A Big Finish Short Trips anthology, because the other thing isn't valid!" I think that's not helpful to the reader. | I also want to say, speaking to the topic at the start of this debate, that some people might actually want to move "first non-valid variable" to its own separate input. I'm against this by principle because I, quite cynically and honestly, view "valid" and "non-valid" as terms we made up that have no academic measurable weight. When someone says "Where did this character originate from?" and you say "A Big Finish Short Trips anthology, because the other thing isn't valid!" I think that's not helpful to the reader. | ||
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If we say, for Zog, first non-valid appearance=''the stage play'', first appearance= ''random short trips story''... The second variable is still telling a non-truth. But if we say ''first appearance=stage play'', ''first valid source appearance= random short trips story'', then that's at least saying two statements which are factually true. | If we say, for Zog, first non-valid appearance=''the stage play'', first appearance= ''random short trips story''... The second variable is still telling a non-truth. But if we say ''first appearance=stage play'', ''first valid source appearance= random short trips story'', then that's at least saying two statements which are factually true. | ||
Just as an example, I've gone ahead and added firstVALID= as an input to my test template mentioned before. Then I've added Zog to this section to show the idea. On some rare occasions, we might very well see the non-covered, first, and valid inputs all used! | |||
The more that I look at everything in this forum, the more I can see that I'm a little bit over my head with this one, and if this concept takes any shape I suspect it'll look totally different from what I've pitched. But I think this is a general good first step in trying to give a more useful and honest guide to our readers. | The more that I look at everything in this forum, the more I can see that I'm a little bit over my head with this one, and if this concept takes any shape I suspect it'll look totally different from what I've pitched. But I think this is a general good first step in trying to give a more useful and honest guide to our readers. | ||
