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Where is it from? [[User:DuduDoctor|DuduDoctor]] 18:26, March 30, 2010 (UTC) | Where is it from? [[User:DuduDoctor|DuduDoctor]] 18:26, March 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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: IMHO the 'what is the point of you' line is a reference to Moffats thing about 'nobody dies today' and then promising to kill lots of people of this series. I reckon it will be picked up on in the finale with the resolution of the doctor revisiting as per eg the reappearing jacket bit in Flesh and Stonej when he talks to Amy, (discussed in the Howling as thread '5 things to look for: finale doctor') since he knows time can be rewritten etc etc, so he can actually save all the people who have died this series to reconcile with Moffats love of nobody dying.Within the rationale of this episode however, it's using the Doctor's guilt about people he has lost himself and worse letting his companions down and being helpless when he can't save the most important thing to them. Eg he was very distressed about Octavian's death and seemingly not affected by the loss of the rest of the clerics apart from Bob. Any thoughts? [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:48, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | : IMHO the 'what is the point of you' line is a reference to Moffats thing about 'nobody dies today' and then promising to kill lots of people of this series. I reckon it will be picked up on in the finale with the resolution of the doctor revisiting as per eg the reappearing jacket bit in Flesh and Stonej when he talks to Amy, (discussed in the Howling as thread '5 things to look for: finale doctor') since he knows time can be rewritten etc etc, so he can actually save all the people who have died this series to reconcile with Moffats love of nobody dying.Within the rationale of this episode however, it's using the Doctor's guilt about people he has lost himself and worse letting his companions down and being helpless when he can't save the most important thing to them. Eg he was very distressed about Octavian's death and seemingly not affected by the loss of the rest of the clerics apart from Bob. Any thoughts? [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:48, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I don't see the problem. She didn't know the kids or have any attachment to them though she did show shock when realising they were the dustpiles. | ::I don't see the problem. She didn't know the kids or have any attachment to them though she did show shock when realising they were the dustpiles. Her reaction to the Doctor was over the fact she'd just seen her husband die right before her eyes. A man she'd known and cared about for many years. Whether she meant it or not doesn't matter. People say all sorts of stuff when grieving over a loved one. [[User:Carnivius Prime|Carnivius Prime]] 10:47, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::: I understand that as an angry spur-of-the-moment remark, it would have been nothing important, but she did seem quite composed when she said it, and anyway, isn't your "she didn't know them" argument exactly what I called "selfishness"? She could have gone to each dustpile and said, "bring him back", and then "so what's the point of you", but she didn't. I know why it works for the drama of the episode, but it's a pretty disappointing charaterisation of Amy -- I would have expected better from her... [[User:Hack59|Hack59]] 12:06, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | ::: I understand that as an angry spur-of-the-moment remark, it would have been nothing important, but she did seem quite composed when she said it, and anyway, isn't your "she didn't know them" argument exactly what I called "selfishness"? She could have gone to each dustpile and said, "bring him back", and then "so what's the point of you", but she didn't. I know why it works for the drama of the episode, but it's a pretty disappointing charaterisation of Amy -- I would have expected better from her... [[User:Hack59|Hack59]] 12:06, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::: No, most people would show far more grieving over a loved one than anyone they didn't know. | :::: No, most people would show far more grieving over a loved one than anyone they didn't know. It's not selfishness at all. If everyone reacted to every death the same they do to someone they cared about you'd have the whole country crying everytime the news came on. And you might say she seemed composed but people react in different ways and not everyone would be screaming and shouting about it, some react quietly in almost disbelieve for example. [[User:Carnivius Prime|Carnivius Prime]] 23:07, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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: It makes perfect sense if you think about it. The Dreamlord has absolutely no interest or intention of destroying the Doctor and his companions. First off, as the Doctor's dark side he want to torment them. Second, since he is the Doctor and only exists in the Doctor's mind(in a sense this entire episode might almost be said to take place in the Doctor's mind since a psychic spore manifesting itself in a mind as powerful as a Time Lord's might explain the extreme power and detail of the dreams and why Amy and Rory are both experiencing the Doctor's darkness.) Third, as is stated in the episode, the Dreamlord is trying to convince them that one world is real and the other fake, when they chose the Tardis as the real world he claims defeat, repowers the Tardis, and moves them away from the Cold Star. The reason for this is that he hopes they'll accept that world as real and treat it as real, the longer they dream the longer the Dreamlord lives, since he essentially dies if they wake up, hence why the 'game' the Dreamlord plays is "can't lose" from the players perspective, based on the rules the Dreamlord gives them but is 'can't lose' in the Dreamlords perspective given what is actually going on, they only get out of it when the Doctor works out the game and ends it completely.[[User:Doorofnight|Doorofnight]] 07:15, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | : It makes perfect sense if you think about it. The Dreamlord has absolutely no interest or intention of destroying the Doctor and his companions. First off, as the Doctor's dark side he want to torment them. Second, since he is the Doctor and only exists in the Doctor's mind(in a sense this entire episode might almost be said to take place in the Doctor's mind since a psychic spore manifesting itself in a mind as powerful as a Time Lord's might explain the extreme power and detail of the dreams and why Amy and Rory are both experiencing the Doctor's darkness.) Third, as is stated in the episode, the Dreamlord is trying to convince them that one world is real and the other fake, when they chose the Tardis as the real world he claims defeat, repowers the Tardis, and moves them away from the Cold Star. The reason for this is that he hopes they'll accept that world as real and treat it as real, the longer they dream the longer the Dreamlord lives, since he essentially dies if they wake up, hence why the 'game' the Dreamlord plays is "can't lose" from the players perspective, based on the rules the Dreamlord gives them but is 'can't lose' in the Dreamlords perspective given what is actually going on, they only get out of it when the Doctor works out the game and ends it completely.[[User:Doorofnight|Doorofnight]] 07:15, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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I know the reason for the production error. Its because a stunt double was used when Rory was thrown on his back, so Arthur never got the mud on his back in the first place. You can see this in the Doctor Who Confidential for this episode. I don't know how to site a source, otherwise would have fixed this myself. | |||
== There is a crack... == | == There is a crack... == | ||
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:I was thinking the same thing but then I dismissed it because I think it doesn't look enough like one. If it is a crack then it's not fully shown and I'm not sure they would put a crack in a dream world. [[User:V00D00M0NKY|V00D00M0NKY]] 19:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
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