Forum:Deleted Scenes and Rule 4 By Proxy: Difference between revisions

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:Full on support of this proposal. These should be valid. However, I’m not as keen on those names for individual scenery. I’d rather we created "/Deleted Scenes" subpages for those and thus cover them there. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
:Full on support of this proposal. These should be valid. However, I’m not as keen on those names for individual scenery. I’d rather we created "/Deleted Scenes" subpages for those and thus cover them there. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
::So ''technically'' in the early days of [[T:VS]] the list of exceptions was just that, exceptions. They're things that people had specifically "voted off the island" through community discussions, and they didn't violate any of the 4 little rules, people just didn't want to cover them. While Czech is ''gesturing'' towards R3 concerns, they're not explicit ones, and they're more subtle than just "the thing can't be seen". There's been a recent attempt to try and justify all of these exceptions through the 4 rules, which just isn't historically appropriate, which explains why you get R3 and R4 being invoked, when neither of them were exactly the reason why, and it wasn't ''either'' of those, per se. At least not as we currently use them.
::Let me be very explicit as to my opinion here. '''I do not believe that deleted scenes violate either R3 or R4''', I believe this is a modern invention to justify why they were deemed invalid - I've read the threads in question, I see gesturing towards R4 and R3, but no explicit statements. I do believe there are ''concerns'' for both R3 and R4; however, and if we're discussing R4bp as being the reason why we should validate certain deleted scenes, we '''must also''' address the R3 concerns. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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