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:: I've been trying to wrap my head around this argument and I find the battle-lines rather confusing. As I see it, a major concern with the radiating transmat-graphic is that it would turn off new viewers for being ''confusing'', making the more in-your-face Ottsel design much more newbie-''friendly''. I imagine the not-we looking at that peculiar asymmetrical diagram of interlinked circles bearing unfamiliar logos, and scratching their head at what they're even looking at, and thinking, "man, ''Doctor Who'' is a lot more impenetrable than I thought" — whereas the Ottsel pitch with individual thumbnail would be much more parsable at first glance, what with including pictures of the cast and such; and therefore much more ''accessible'' to the not-wes. It's not that I don't understand the argument about appearing daunting/overwhelming to new audiences, but I would personally assume that to be a much weaker effect than the risks of a home-page which seems ''hard to understand''. At heart our primary duty as a Wiki is to present all the information legibly and accurately; ''obfuscating'' information in some effort to appear more newcomer-friendly seems to me to rankle, as a basic proposal. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 08:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC) | :: I've been trying to wrap my head around this argument and I find the battle-lines rather confusing. As I see it, a major concern with the radiating transmat-graphic is that it would turn off new viewers for being ''confusing'', making the more in-your-face Ottsel design much more newbie-''friendly''. I imagine the not-we looking at that peculiar asymmetrical diagram of interlinked circles bearing unfamiliar logos, and scratching their head at what they're even looking at, and thinking, "man, ''Doctor Who'' is a lot more impenetrable than I thought" — whereas the Ottsel pitch with individual thumbnail would be much more parsable at first glance, what with including pictures of the cast and such; and therefore much more ''accessible'' to the not-wes. It's not that I don't understand the argument about appearing daunting/overwhelming to new audiences, but I would personally assume that to be a much weaker effect than the risks of a home-page which seems ''hard to understand''. At heart our primary duty as a Wiki is to present all the information legibly and accurately; ''obfuscating'' information in some effort to appear more newcomer-friendly seems to me to rankle, as a basic proposal. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 08:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::imo the abstract nature of the design makes it seem less like a sort of rigid presentation of things that you should know about and instead, well, just a graphic that you can pay attention to or not. But, I do want to stress, I'm not wedded to the particular organization TGG has. I think this "stylized" perspective is a plus, but it's not something that's necessary in any way. To me the main points are what I listed as 1 and 2. #3 is just a bonus, and can be jettisoned without issue. If everyone wants circular icons ''like'' what OS25 has, (obviously not directly analogous) so long as 1 and 2 are met, I have no strong objection, though I'll obviously have thoughts and aesthetic preferences. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC) |