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::: Wow, that was a lot to read. I agree that we should be able to call a spade a [[spade]] and identify Martin Luther King Jr when Martin Luther King Jr appears. By the same stroke, I agree with Najawin about avoiding conjectural definitions for dictionary terms. While Scrooge's analysis is compelling, my main concern here is citational clarity: it remains plainly confusing to me that the source cited following a sentence might not in fact be the source for that sentence, even if the sentence and the citation are in separate paragraphs; to the extent that our citation policies don't already prescribe that the "citationlessness lede" clause should only apply to leads that are clearly separated from the rest of the page by a section header, that's a problem with our policies, not a loophole we should seek to exploit. | ::: Wow, that was a lot to read. I agree that we should be able to call a spade a [[spade]] and identify Martin Luther King Jr when Martin Luther King Jr appears. By the same stroke, I agree with Najawin about avoiding conjectural definitions for dictionary terms. While Scrooge's analysis is compelling, my main concern here is citational clarity: it remains plainly confusing to me that the source cited following a sentence might not in fact be the source for that sentence, even if the sentence and the citation are in separate paragraphs; to the extent that our citation policies don't already prescribe that the "citationlessness lede" clause should only apply to leads that are clearly separated from the rest of the page by a section header, that's a problem with our policies, not a loophole we should seek to exploit. | ||
::: However, I do understand the strong preference from some users that "in media res" leads should be avoided whenever possible. Let me | ::: However, I do understand the strong preference from some users that "in media res" leads should be avoided whenever possible. Let me echo [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]]'s recommendation by reopening one of my [[Forum:Temporary forums/Relaxing the past-tense requirement#Real-world perspective in leads|previous suggestions]]: opening with a definition, but presenting that definition in a clearly demarcated way using a designated template – if a box at the top of the page is too obtrusive, maybe a different citation style with a clearly-stylized link to Wiktionary. The intention would be to convey "This definition isn't explicitly spelled out in any DWU source, but it's what we're assuming for this page." This would avoid the appearance of speculation or misattribution while also future-proofing us against cases where the words are later radically redefined in the DWU. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 14:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC) | ||
